Matt I am not trying to be rude but I am going to ask how if you know so much about temperament you bought two dogs you say are far from the temperament they should have? Did the breeder you bought from do any showing or trialing her own dogs??? I just ask for education purposes to try to help other new people who are looking for things to look for in a good breeder.
Not rude at all, I am perfectly happy to admit my mistakes. It was a mistake on my part come about from my misguided belief that all breeders did their best to breed the best. These are the first duffers I have ever had. The pups drives and characters seemed sound to me but clearly they didn't have robust enough temperaments, things have effected them more than any other dogs I have ever owned, their temperaments have have basically been broken by simple stuff another dog with a stable temperament would just shake off.
I also had to supress their drives for the sake of the sanity of the other humans in the house, I like bouncy crackers dogs, many people do not.
I basically was spoilt by my last breeder without realising it, she bred good dogs, I thought everyone did, having never ended up with a duffer in 20 odd years sorta makes you think that way. Anyway she stopped breeding because of the docking ban. So I had to find another, naively, like is said I just went with the nearest. Bad error.
I have always picked my dogs by judgeing the parents and the pups myself, I know what I want in a dog, I don't need a third party to tell me what I want.
No she did not show or trial, she is an askhole.
It has worked for me for years.
I will not make this mistake again.
It's not just my dogs, nearly every dobe I have met recently has been 'spooky', I have met two in the last year that were not, out of maybe 20.
The question I ask myself is why you are getting so defensive about this, clearly you are not the breeders I am talking about, or are you denying that garbage breeders are not out there and in fact in the majority.
If you want evidence that the dobermans temperament has gone downhill, just ask yourself why Police forces everywhere are using Malinois instead?
Some in this country outright tell you they will not use dobermans and even put on their websites that they are 'too highly strung'.
Security companies in general, are not using dobermans anymore either.
Dobermans have become a bit of a joke for many people and it is heralded as a miraculous event when one gets high scores in higher titles, yet Mals are blitzing through at very young ages.
These dobermans are the exception, not the rule, just look at the numbers, 1700 registered in one year in UK, how many of them will even title in SchuH 1?
10 if you're lucky?
Even Doberman judges that trial in SchuH and breed dobermans are buying themselves a nice well bred GSD, what does that say about the breed?
Fact of the matter is, in general the average Doberman has not the temperament (or stability) to do the work, the ones that do are the exceptions and as such are very special.
These two will probably be the last dobermans I will own.