Bullmastiffs

Don’t leave here just because you don’t have a doberman!

I totally get what you mean though. I have never stayed on a breed specific forum for this long. And was never actually posting anything like I am here. I was a lurker on some forums but they were never really updated with new members and posts like this one.

Maybe the work it takes to keep a happy doberman is so much more that people tend to look for advice and new ideas. Thus keeping forums like this more active? I mean, when I think bull mastiff I think of a lazy dog who really just needs basic training to be a good house animal (compared to our high energy dobermans). In that way maybe they are just easier to live with and don’t require as much? However, Corsos are more more serious to own, I would think there was an active forum for them. Especially because their popularity seems to have spiked over the last few years.
Well yes, looking at the number of posts that have been made in each breed subforum, the Corso is easily the most popular. The next most popular are Bullmastiff, Dogo Argentino, English Mastiff (may be forgetting a couple) and I believe the Presa Canario is one of the more popular in terms of threads as well. Yes, that breed seems to be one of the breeds that is currently becoming popular.
 
Thank you for recognizing the fact that we stay way more active than many others. The reason for that is because of good members like you, our staff and our contributors. I have always sworn to keep this place independently owned and ad free, which is the difference between us and most other places who sold out to "the big guys" trying to monopolize everything on the net. I've gotten countless offers to sell out to "big brother" for lots of money but that's not what it's about for me.

We have a ton of great forum donors to help pay for costs and what isn't covered will come out of my pocket because this is my home and my family and it's worth a lot to me.
 
I've gotten countless offers to sell out to "big brother" for lots of money but that's not what it's about for me.

You are AMAZING. If I know the forum you are speaking of, I would likely not stick around if they got ahold of this forum.
 
Okay, big time profanity alert here – I personally try to steer clear of it but if you're going to watch this guy's podcast or whatever it is, you just take it in stride. Joe Rogan is a character I tend to like – commentator for the UFC for years and years, and a legitimate martial artist himself. Just recently, I've been looking in on a few clips from his podcast and I like his no-nonsense, politically incorrect self. The following clip is a, um, irreverent quick, non-expert look at the Dogo Argentino. The Cane Corso gets mentioned as well. You've been warned.

 
Dogo’s are absolutely beautiful dogs. They were on my list too. The more I researched them the more I realized that I didn’t have the proper outlet for their pray drive- being boar hunting dogs and all. So awesome though!
 
Yeah, so there's a breeder in (I think) New Mexico. He calls his program Marino Cane Corso. Talk about a no-nonsense guy. I think on his website it says he's off the grid. He breeds for protection capability and a serious working-capable Corso. Looks like he does not crop. I'm sure he has an opinion on this, as he is very opinionated. Maybe he just doesn't have the facilities to crop.

In this video he talks about something that's very basic to the state of the Cane Corso breed modern day. What has, or has not, been mixed in? He confirms something that was counterintuitive to me at first – that is is the Euro lines that have Boxer mixed in. For some reason, it felt like that would have been an American thing to do. But no, I guess Euro = Boxer and American type is more rustic, heavier boned (and as this guy says, has more Neopolitan Mastiff blood; oh, and is a more serious true Corso temperament dog – leery of strangers, protective and not a dog park type of dog).

The video is not too long and he lays some things out clearly. By the way, he rips onto Rachael from Senza Tempo Cane Corso, and claims that she comments negatively on other breeders' online presences. I've talked about Senza Tempo on here.

Now, he admits he has not been in the breed all that many years, but he has been researching heavily. It's pleasing listening to this dude, though I've shut off a vid or two of his, because I just didn't have time for for what he had to say (like his 40 minute video on the history of the breed).

 
I find a lot of stuff just via yoo toob's suggested vids that show up on the side of the screen. I checked this one out tonight, and it's great! The woman is likable, and it looks like their personal dogs are Boerboels. The obedience I see these relatively young Boerboels display is very impressive. Frankly, they are both way more biddable and willing than Oji. (Sorry bud, I call it as it is. You know you'd get frustrated and protest after a few seconds of that backward heeling). In fact, I see an energy in these massive dogs that I'm not sure I'd want to deal with. If you're 150 lbs., I would hope you'd be pretty low energy and low drive.

Bonus: The female's name is Ripley!

 
I find a lot of stuff just via yoo toob's suggested vids that show up on the side of the screen. I checked this one out tonight, and it's great! The woman is likable, and it looks like their personal dogs are Boerboels. The obedience I see these relatively young Boerboels display is very impressive. Frankly, they are both way more biddable and willing than Oji. (Sorry bud, I call it as it is. You know you'd get frustrated and protest after a few seconds of that backward heeling). In fact, I see an energy in these massive dogs that I'm not sure I'd want to deal with. If you're 150 lbs., I would hope you'd be pretty low energy and low drive.

Bonus: The female's name is Ripley!

Those dogs are huge!!!
 
Jan, yeah, those rear dewclaws are weird on the Beaucerons! I'd say they should be removed.

Well, wow. The following video told me more about Boerboels than anything I've yet taken in. He names two of the three breeders from which they got their BBs. The unnamed one is in the US. I do wonder if it's the one I'm considering in IN. They had a misunderstanding. Were told they had 2nd pick, but what it was was the breeder picked for them (which of course is normal) so really, they had no pick. Wonder why the word "pick" was used, as it was almost irrelevant.


Anyway, they say one of the females is the most vocal dog they've had. Red flag!! But they don't say it is barking. It's other noises. Wonder if it's barking as well.

They also say the male does a lot of little whimpering noises and always wants to be near/touching you. Red flag!!!

I like, and agree with, the list of things they were setting out to get in a dog though – with the exception of the dog having an interest in defending against animals. This concerns me that the dog (like Oji) would be way too barky at, and focused on, animals. They do show, however one of the females laying there with deer on the other side of the fence and she is not transfixed by the deer like I'm used to.
 
Very interesting phone interview done by the Marino Cane Corso guy, and interviewing the man from Rock of Ages Canis Panther Michael "Gypsy" Stratten. You'll recall discussion of the Stratten and the Canis Panther from this thread.

Key points of interest to me:

Teach your dog to go for the weapon hand. This aligns with what William Koehler said many years ago. If you have your dog latched onto a sleeve and the helper is smacking it with the rubber baton, maybe the dog should neutralize the hand that's using the weapon.

Yeah, this guy speaks against sport bitework training, including sending your dog to chase people.

He advocates not socializing your dog except with people in your family. I guess this takes a pretty sheltered approach to life. With my first Dobe, this is what I did. He indeed would bite by default unless I took control of the situation. Yes, it was stressful, because I did not just shelter my dog in my house and my yard. This really reminds me of years ago when I had that first Dobe at an obedience competition in Maryland. (Yes, he could handle this even with his poorly socialized state). I had him in the parking lot and a well-dressed black man who had two Dobes on leashes asked me if he could pet my dog. (He was a conformation handler). I said no. He asked why. I said because until I could have him protection trained, I did not want him to think everyone is a nice person. He didn't like this. I asked if his dogs would protect. He said of course. I asked why. He said "Because they are the real deal." I said "You haven't told me anything."

Also advocated is muzzle training instead of sleeve training.

He also advises against playing tug with your dog or having it bite a tug toy you're holding. He said do not have your dog fight you with its mouth. He said when he touches the article, he expects the dog to drop it. This most certainly confirms as a no-no ever having your dog bite a sleeve that you are wearing, which I hope not many informed people are doing.

But first, before any of this, Stratten stresses: Teach "No." And teach "Come."

 
I found something pretty cool. I pulled up our local city library system online. I searched for books on the Cane Corso and books on the Bullmastiff. I figured I'd order some in to our local branch and pick them up. Turns out there is this service where you can "borrow" books online. It's free of charge and you just need your library card.

I found one book available online about the Corso. Besides a very small amount of info. on the history and breed standard of the Corso, it's a typical fluff, general dog book focusing on the general wisdom on choosing and caring for dogs.

I'm pretty psyched, though, that they happen to have this book on the Bullmastiff that is actually from 1937 (second edition). I thought the breed was older than that, but the author talks about how the breed was just recently stabilizing in type. (Note in the third picture, though, how a dog is referenced in an advertisement from 1795 – a light colored dog between Bulldog and Mastiff).

Note in the third picture how, not at all surprisingly, the Bullmastiff pictured does not have nearly the pushed-in snout that it has today. Some BMs I see out there are more brachycephalic than others, and I seek to stay away from them.

Anyway, with these books, it looks like the pages have been scanned in, so this 1937 (2nd edition) book has that awesome old book look that I love so much.

While the book is pretty neat and I like to know the history and origins of breeds, I think it tells me very little about the breed modern day and what I might be able to purchase.

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Found three ads for Bullmastiffs from the early days. Yep, of course, the snout is not as pushed in.

What is striking me here with the photographs is both of these Bullmastiffs look a lot like the South African Boerboel of today!! Really, I wonder if in a lot of cases a Boerboel of today would be similar not only in looks to a Bullmastiff of old. I take it to be the case that a lot – perhaps most – Boerboels of today possess higher gameness, drive and sharpness than today's Bullmastiff.

It is interesting to note that I have seen at least one source state that the Bullmastiff went into the making of the Boerboel. On the other hand, I thought the Boerboel was older than that. Maybe the more modern Boerboels have Bullmastiff blood. Hmmm.

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I am not crazy for the smushed in nose either. I think thats why I like the boerboel so much more, but I think that it would be a lot of dog to handle compared to a bullmastiff.

I am seriously considering a bullmastiff or dane for my next dog. There are some days I daydream of having another dog and then there are some days where I think of how much more work it may be in terms of exercising two. I take Jasper off leash with his ecollar but I don’t think I want to do that with two big dogs. The bullmastiff and dane seem like more “low key” when it comes to exercise needs compared to these high energy dobies.
 
There are some days I daydream of having another dog and then there are some days where I think of how much more work it may be in terms of exercising two. I take Jasper off leash with his ecollar but I don’t think I want to do that with two big dogs.
I honestly still think it's easier with two. Yes puppies are a ton of work no matter what, but when your first one is old enough, the second one seems to be a breeze.

I've been seriously looking at Danes and it sounds like they're much lower key for training but I still want to have as many years as I can with any dog we bring into our home. Danes have gotten way better (age wise), which is why I've been looking at reputable breeders, in case we ever consider one down the road. There is a reputable breeder literally about 10 miles from here but there's just something about their looks (they're all AKC champions) that doesn't appeal to me as much as another breeder farther away.
 
I honestly still think it's easier with two. Yes puppies are a ton of work no matter what, but when your first one is old enough, the second one seems to be a breeze.

I've been seriously looking at Danes and it sounds like they're much lower key for training but I still want to have as many years as I can with any dog we bring into our home. Danes have gotten way better (age wise), which is why I've been looking at reputable breeders, in case we ever consider one down the road. There is a reputable breeder literally about 10 miles from here but there's just something about their looks (they're all AKC champions) that doesn't appeal to me as much as another breeder farther away.
So I assume you are looking at American type danes? Would you crop? One of my coworkers has a nine year old dane. He is super sweet. Blew out one of his knees last year but he recovered even with his age. He is a happy dog. He just put a deposit down on a puppy from Southern Pines Danes. I haven’t looked into them yet- I just know his current boy is from them. Not sure what their health testing looks like.

Thats what a lot of people tell me- a second puppy really isn’t that much more than what you have to do already.
 
There is a reputable breeder literally about 10 miles from here but there's just something about their looks (they're all AKC champions) that doesn't appeal to me as much as another breeder farther away.
I'm not a fan of the euro Danes, tbh. They are super droopy in the jowels and their facial skin looks like it's melting on them. The American Danes look much more regal. Never even knew there were euro Danes and such a difference with how judges interpret similar standards between NA/Euro with Danes too until a friend said something.

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I assume you are looking at American type danes? Would you crop?
I'd definitely crop and the breeder I'm more interested in will do it for you.
I guess I didn't know the difference between American's and Euro's until I saw the examples @Rits posted here. I'm guessing the breeder a few miles from here has Euro ones since it's mostly the jowls I don't like about them.

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This is the one that caught my eye more and I know I've already posted the link in this thread.
 
I feel like some euro danes look much better than others. The ones Rits posted above for example- the white one on the bottom is pretty bad, but the one on the top right doesn’t bother me.
 

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