Bullmastiffs

Thanks for the links ill have to check them out too. I browsed through some of their dogs. I like a their males but I didn’t like the look of any of their females. For some reason female cane corsos to me aren’t that good looking. I have only likes a handful in my research. Maybe they are just a hard breed to take photos of. Not like the doberman which imo looks good in pretty much any photo.

Thats a lot of money on that high end. Especially when once you factor in tax. I paid too much for Jasper imo. Before I drop that money again I definitely need to slow waaay down and be more vigilant on “nagging” the breeder with questions.

Honestly, I wasn’t really one for Bullmastiff’s. However I kind of wanted a bit lower energy of a dog compared to Jasper. Just worried about health and longevity.

I saw a pretty good looking rottie today. Have you considered one? Definitely another breed to put temperament on the top of your research. I hear a lot of good things about them though. They are big, powerful, definitely a deterrent in just looks, loyal and smart. But once again, a more serious dog to handle.

Very briefly looked into Akitas. I just wish they weren’t so independent and their tendency towards dog aggression is just too much. This is one longer haired breed I love the look of. But they are far from what I am looking for in terms of temperament. Ill admire them but will likely never try one.
 
Lizbeli said:
Thanks for the links ill have to check them out too. I browsed through some of their dogs. I like a their males but I didn’t like the look of any of their females. For some reason female cane corsos to me aren’t that good looking. I have only likes a handful in my research. Maybe they are just a hard breed to take photos of. Not like the doberman which imo looks good in pretty much any photo.

Thats a lot of money on that high end. Especially when once you factor in tax. I paid too much for Jasper imo. Before I drop that money again I definitely need to slow waaay down and be more vigilant on “nagging” the breeder with questions.

Honestly, I wasn’t really one for Bullmastiff’s. However I kind of wanted a bit lower energy of a dog compared to Jasper. Just worried about health and longevity.

I saw a pretty good looking rottie today. Have you considered one? Definitely another breed to put temperament on the top of your research. I hear a lot of good things about them though. They are big, powerful, definitely a deterrent in just looks, loyal and smart. But once again, a more serious dog to handle.

Very briefly looked into Akitas. I just wish they weren’t so independent and their tendency towards dog aggression is just too much. This is one longer haired breed I love the look of. But they are far from what I am looking for in terms of temperament. Ill admire them but will likely never try one.
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Yes, when I look at a breeder's website, I look at the females first because – at least with breeds that I want to appear powerful – the females usually don't look as impressive. So if the females look good, it's a great sign. Funny you say that regarding dogs looking good in photos. I've definitely noticed it with Corsos, but I've long noticed it in Dobermans too. They can very easily look just wonky, undignified and unimpressive unless they are in certain positions. So, I try not to judge to quickly when I'm looking at Mastiffs.

One thing I know is that there are a lot of looks I've seen in the Corsos that I do NOT want. A perfect example can be found by simply googling Cane Corso and selecting "images." You will see prominently displayed a black Corso (taken from Wikipedia, I believe) that is just – no.

On price: Wait, what? You've been charged tax on the purchase of a puppy? I guess it shouldn't surprise me these days. Seems there's sales tax on everything. Many years ago when I worked at a service station, you could not charge tax on labor – only on parts. That has changed.

Yeah, I've considered Rotties. I've always blown them off because they are very popular and are a breed that so commonly owned by, oh, gangsta' types as well as just a lot of people who have them in yards behind fences and acting belligerently aggressive to everyone who walks by. I guess the latter aspect shouldn't eliminate it from my consideration, but it always has. That, and in the early days of my obsession with Dobes, I had this thing where I wall all about Dobes are better than Rotties. Yeah. Take that. At one point, with my first Doberman, I used to walk to a store with him and would walk down an alley where there were two Rotts and at least one of them would be so aggressively agitated that it would bite the chainlink fence and yank it. My silly self would walk smugly by, thinking (but maybe doubting as well) that my Dobe could defeat those two Rotts if they got through the fence. Plus, I just needed to walk through there.

Akitas? Yes, I've considered them. An awesome breed indeed! The number one eliminating factor is the hair! I admit I have a bit of a fear of them in terms of them just kicking the butt of other dogs if it came down to it, and maybe tearing up a person as well – both of which, come to think of it, I kind of like. But yeah, I wouldn't get one. I just don't feel I know enough to trust them with my family. Hmm. Yet I've considered Boerboels. :woot2:
 
I don't like having popular things, or things that could be considered trendy. It's one reason I like having a Doberman. They definitely aren't popular. I see more of them here in Cincinnati than I've seen anywhere else though.

When I consider having a Cane Corso, I am put off by the idea that it seems so popular. It really is the "it" dog among guarding breeds now. As mentioned above regarding the Rottweiler, I also don't like that the Corso might be sometimes embraced by the sort of "gangsta" type of people, and it definitely – along with the Boerboel – is well liked and admired by blacks (not that there's anything wrong with this, but I definitely identify more with whites and let's face it: The Doberman is a pretty darn white breed.)

So I looked up the breed popularity rankings on AKC. Bear in mind that the Cane Corso also has a registry called ICCF, and I don't know if a Corso can be registered in both at once. Just in AKC rankings though, consider this stat that quite surprised me: The Doberman, which I feel is not very common ranks 19. The Corso, which not too many years ago was called a rare breed, ranks 30, with a breed that I find quite popular (Pug) just below it at 31. So I am at once surprised how high the Corso ranks, but am also surprised how high the Doberman ranks; and I felt like the Corso was pretty popular, but the Doberman is quite a bit more popular.

So here I am liking having a Doberman partly due to its not being popular, and here I am thinking I would not like to have a Corso because it's so popular, yet the Dobe is a lot more numerous in AKC registrations.
 
Yesterday as I rode along Madison Ave. I noticed a youngish man with a Corso on a leash. I had seen, one other time, a guy with a Corso in this area but I didn't stop to talk. Yesterday I did.

I have to tell y'all that very recently I have actually jumped into the Boerboel camp again. I was influenced by one particular example I found online (look up "Afrika Boerboel" on Instagram, or, well here: Congo the Boerboel Is Our Family's (Very) Big, Good Boy ). I think, however, that this is simply a good looking, mellow example of the breed. After poking around online a few nights in a row looking at Boerboels I am just being reminded of how ugly they sometimes are with the high hips, sway back and that longish docked tail sticking straight up. Then there's the, pardon me but, the hind end that is just so coarse and would be better hidden under a tail. I have a hard time imagining such a coarse animal sharing space with us in our house.

Back to the Corso I met yesterday: I am enthralled with this dog. A Blue Brindle, I believe. His head was maybe almost as big as a soccer ball – ears cropped. Was probably 27" tall and not yet fully mature.

I rolled up on the guy and his dog, and fortuitously, the guy was not looking. The dog, however spotted me right away and moved somewhat toward me while still remaining by his owner. He was definitely interested in this stranger approaching, and definitely was not acting shy or scared.

I asked if I could ask him about his Corso, as I was considering one for my next dog. So, we talked for about 4 or 5 minutes. He said he takes the dog to the dog park. I asked if I could pet and proceeded to move to the dog and hold out my hand. I purposely did not kneel down as I normally do to give a dog confidence. The Corso did not back up, and was in fact interested in meeting me. He did not wiggle his bum, nor did he get excited. He certainly did not jump up on me or, as Oji would surely do, wind up with his paws on my shoulders. I have to admit that I was a bit scared, not knowing if the dog had a stable temperament. This is some physical power we are playing with here. Those jaws are formidable. After a moment, I did go ahead and squat down to get at face-level with this handsome dog. He proceeded to move his face toward mine, still not excited, and pretty much touch me. Here, as you can imagine, I was extra nervous! No problem though.

I asked the guy if he minded sharing with me his breeder, which he did.

Oh, by the way, the guy pronounced it "Cāne Corso" as in "candy cane." I've heard this before for sure, and it certainly makes me question the guy and how informed he is. Did the breeder also pronounce it this way?!?

He said he paid $2000 for the dog, which was less than most other breeders (he's correct).

Anyway, I would love to wind up with a dog that handsome and I was quite satisfied with this dog's confidence!

I wish I had looked at the length of the tail dock.

Oh, and I noticed the dog's front paws were turned out – not terribly, but still not attractive to a discerning eye. I wonder how common this is in the breed. I think it's a fault.
 
I've always heard "Cah-nay" but when I first read it years ago I thought it was Cane too lol

My conformation class instructors have corsos and they are beautiful. Her male Orion is #3 Corso in UKC for 2020 and she finished his AKC CH at the beginning of this year owner handled! Impressive stuff! I've heard her that they are doing IPO work this year too. He's a handsome dude!

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Rits said:
I've always heard "Cah-nay" but when I first read it years ago I thought it was Cane too lol

My conformation class instructors have corsos and they are beautiful. Her male Orion is #3 Corso in UKC for 2020 and she finished his AKC CH at the beginning of this year owner handled! Impressive stuff! I've heard her that they are doing IPO work this year too. He's a handsome dude!

AKC CH INT'L CH UKC EGCH URO2 Black Pearl Illusion of Orion CGCA CGCU TKI RI CA DCAT ACT1 CAL2 SPOT

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Wow, thanks! Those letters before and after his name! Sheesh!

I'm trying to figure, looking at those head shots, if he is of the type that shows Boxer influence. The pic on the right does seem so.

One thing I certainly like about him based on that body pic is how much leg he has under him. Maybe a 28" dog? He's plenty sleek and athletic too!
 
Oh Little Oji said:
Wow, thanks! Those letters before and after his name! Sheesh!

I'm trying to figure, looking at those head shots, if he is of the type that shows Boxer influence. The pic on the right does seem so.

One thing I certainly like about him based on that body pic is how much leg he has under him. Maybe a 28" dog? He's plenty sleek and athletic too!
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It says on her breeder's page that they focus on the Italian look/lines. https://www.blackpearlcanecorso.com/why-us
 
Pretty cool that you got to chat with someone and interact with a Cane Corso. I saw one at the park once but it was clearly not a well bred dog. More Neapolitan mastiff look to him, and overweight. So I didn’t bother to chat (lol).

I probably would have been a bit nervous to squat down. You just never know! However, it seems like a well bred corso is a calm confident dog in social settings. I remember watching a video on Senza Tempo’s youtube where they were walking Preacher on a busy city street. I think it was a festival of some type. People approached and asked to pet him multiple times. He would greet people calmly and some times wag his tail.

Jasper is very hesitant meeting people. But its mostly indoors. Off leash outside and he is fine.

I too think about Boerboels still. But my gut is telling me to hold off until I have a good amount of land. And the fact I would never let the dog off leash kind of stinks. I love my chuck it time with Jasper and I for sure would not do it with a big 200lb guarding breed.
 
I don't recall if we've talked about Black Russian Terriers in this thread yet or not. I have thought about them in the past but had written them off. At the moment (and this could change at any time :D) I have them written, uh, back on.

So I would wind up with:

an all black dog – good
a tall dog – good
a fairly heavy dog that's supposed to have good bone and a substantial head – good
a dog that's supposed to be a good guard dog – good
It's a good looking dog – good
It would hopefully be athletic enough to do challenging hikes and go for runs and fetch frisbees – good
It probably won't be a drooly dog – good

I don't get to show off cropped ears – bad
I get to wipe the mouth after it drinks – bad
I have significantly more paw wiping if it's wet out – bad
Its coat is not the super easy to care for coat of the Doberman, and I may or may not have more wiping of underside after walk in wet weather – bad
It doesn't look like an intimidating guard dog except for its being large – bad
It may or may not be somewhat high energy and prey drivey – bad
It may be expensive to purchase (I haven't looked into it much, but it's a rarer breed) – bad
I don't know for sure about its reliability and safety with my children (but then I am not sure about that with the Cane Corso either) – bad

But wow, I showed my wife pics of them and I got by far the most positive reaction I've gotten out of her! It may have helped that I introduced the breed to her as a new kind of Doodle :rofl:
 
Boy they must have some heft to them looking at the height vs weight.
The Black Russian Terrier, also known as the Chornyi Terrier is a breed of dog created in USSR in Red Star Kennel during the late 1940s and the early 1950s for use as military/working dogs. Wikipedia
Hypoallergenic: No
Life expectancy: 10 – 11 years
Temperament: Lively, Energetic, Hardy, Confident, Stable, Brave
Height: Female: 25–28 inches (64–70 cm), Male: 26–28 inches (66–72 cm)
Weight: Female: 80–130 lbs (36–59 kg), Male: 100–150 lbs (45–68 kg)
Colors: Black, Salt & Pepper
 
Im not one for dogs with poodle-like curly coats or “beards,” but those don’t look too bad to me. Reminds me a bit of the giant schnauzer, but more hefty.

I saw a large black corso the other day. I couldn’t stop and talk. But he looked so chill on leash with his owner. No pulling, just a calm confident looking dog. Thats something that I am drawn to. Jasper is hyper alert, which isn’t really bad. But he doesn’t chill out on a leisurely walks unless he is exercised/ran beforehand.
 
JanS said:
Boy they must have some heft to them looking at the height vs weight.
The Black Russian Terrier, also known as the Chornyi Terrier is a breed of dog created in USSR in Red Star Kennel during the late 1940s and the early 1950s for use as military/working dogs. Wikipedia
Hypoallergenic: No
Life expectancy: 10 – 11 years
Temperament: Lively, Energetic, Hardy, Confident, Stable, Brave
Height: Female: 25–28 inches (64–70 cm), Male: 26–28 inches (66–72 cm)
Weight: Female: 80–130 lbs (36–59 kg), Male: 100–150 lbs (45–68 kg)
Colors: Black, Salt & Pepper
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Thanks, Jan! I understand the males are typically around that 28" mark, and sometimes 29-30. The video below is quite good – an interview with a very informed sounding woman (unlike with some of the "Dogumentary" videos). In the vid, we see two of the woman's female BRTs and they are 28" – one at 115 lb. but a little light from having had a litter.

 
Here's an interesting video of a trainer showing off a Black Russian Terrier she has trained. I don't like the presumptuousness of her taking the dog into so many public places off leash and putting him on a stay right in the middle of walkways, nor do I think it should be allowed in a Target store but that's not my takeaway from the video.

Interesting thing #1: I have wanted to see a BRT shaved close in order to see what its body and head look like. This shows it pretty well.

Interesting thing #2: The dog, supposedly 3 years old and having had behavior problems is shown acting, in my opinion, very calm! It's almost like it was drugged. I hope, alternatively, that it's an indication of the calmness of the breed!!

Interesting thing #3: Its front pasterns look normal and pretty much fine in most positions, however in a few, the look downright gross! What's up with this? Is this normal and healthy? Pause the vid at 2:14, 6:04, 6:49. I've seen still shots of dogs walking, or especially running, and their front legs upon landing have the pasterns flat on the ground. It grosses me out, but I guess it's normal for those dogs. ? Maybe it's not so normal for Dobermans?

I just want to know if this is something that I should look out for in the BRT breed. This particular dog does not impress me with its movement, by the way; but I don't know if it's normal and typical for the breed. It also seems narrow-chested.

 
To me he looks over weight (even for the breed) and his legs are splayed out, especially the back ones. I'm not sure of what the breed standard calls for but he's not a great looking dog to me.
 
I have to agree- he is not a good looking dog to me either. Overweight and terrible conformation. His whole hind end looks wobbly and unnatural.

Check out more of this training company’s videos. Pretty much all of them depict dogs acting just fine like this. (fun fact- I actually hired them years ago for my previous dog who had very bad reactivity issues).

Out of curiosity- what do you like about this breed over the Giant Schnauzer?
 
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