One thing I notice is his snout gives the appearance of being just a bit shorter in length than some.

Drake is a handsome boy. I love how he looks!That is something I hear from various people. Most hate it. I'm okay because he has a shorter thicker neck. I like that better than that swan neck look. He also has a blockier snout, I like that better than the pointy look.
He was 6 months old in this pic. His head never really changed much
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Drake is a handsome boy. I love how he looks!

Actually, that group of illustrations posted in this thread are pretty informative. I can take a pic of another group of drawings and info. from a Dobe book I have and post it here. May do that tonight.
Now, "wet?" Are you talking about the Dobe being a "dry mouthed" breed meaning they should not drool?
My first Dobe had a snout on the shorter end of the spectrum.That is something I hear from various people. Most hate it. I'm okay because he has a shorter thicker neck. I like that better than that swan neck look. He also has a blockier snout, I like that better than the pointy look.
He was 6 months old in this pic. His head never really changed much
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That is something I hear from various people. Most hate it. I'm okay because he has a shorter thicker neck. I like that better than that swan neck look. He also has a blockier snout, I like that better than the pointy look.
He was 6 months old in this pic. His head never really changed much
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Yes. Oji gets mistaken for a female all the time!He looks very "dog-y" to me, which I prefer. I like dog to look very masculine dog and very feminine bitches.
Is he very bitchy looking? I don't recall thinking that when I've seen photos. Some people are dumb and can't see masculine/feminine traits.Yes. Oji gets mistaken for a female all the time!
Yes, people mistake him for a female dog. He definitely is lacking in masculine appearance in the head and face. He's also the size of a female Doberman.Is he very bitchy looking? I don't recall thinking that when I've seen photos. Some people are dumb and can't see masculine/feminine traits.
He looks very "dog-y" to me, which I prefer. I like dog to look very masculine dog and very feminine bitches.
I agree. I don't think anyone has ever doubted he is a dog.
I find this discussion fascinating. Just so many types of one breed. I will be the first to admit I know very little about the pure bred dog world. For whatever reasons it just never mattered to me. Then I rescued my first doberman and all that changed.
@Horselady is this true of all breeds. Do they all have so many types? Maybe I don't pay enough attention but when I go to a dog show I only really see it in dobermans. When you look at the various breed rings ex: Labradors, they all look pretty similar, at least to me. You look at a ring full of dobies and you see lots of different types. Maybe I'm missing something because of my lack of knowledge?
I find this discussion fascinating. Just so many types of one breed. I will be the first to admit I know very little about the pure bred dog world. For whatever reasons it just never mattered to me. Then I rescued my first doberman and all that changed.

BTW I prefer the look of Euro mixed with American. Muscled, but no pidgeon chests.
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I'm not sure. I haven't shown in years. Poodles only really had one "type" but we would see different spray up jobs and trim styles by region. Akitas do have a more American type and a more Japanese type. It was recently explained to me they are talking about making two varieties because they're so different. Shepherd's have a less extreme "all breed type" and a more extreme "specialty type". The other breeds I've handled seemed to be more consistent.
A wet mouth means they don't have a tight flew. Dobermans should have a dry mouth.I'm trying to remember what I was reading about when I saw that descriptor, but I would almost swear it wasn't about drool or something that would kind of make sense...(but, I don't have a great memory)...I just remember thinking, "How in the hell do you use 'wet' to describe that?"
Y'all know I'll never be trying to show my boy; I just kind of look at things and then decide how he compares...usually just because I wonder (not that it matters at all) if he looks more Euro or NA...I know, I know...I would know that if I did things right.
Yeah, I thought so. Thanks!A wet mouth means they don't have a tight flew. Dobermans should have a dry mouth.