Matt Vandart
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I think all dogs that can work are valuable myself but I understand your point, a point that will never be solved I fear.
Marinegeekswife
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Agreed, but no point in helping shoot the problem in the foot either, lol.
Doberman Gang
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That picture looks like it was photo shopped?
Matt Vandart
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I don't think it is, could be, I have seen this picture ages ago and there are more of the same dog, so if it is someone is going to great lengths for some odd reason.
Betty
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I had a Hera also.. This is the first time I've ever heard someone else named thier dog Hera. Also, the crazy thing is my nieces name is BrittanyG.. Just had to share...
Brittany95
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Matt Vandart
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he's beautiful 
Héctor Pérez
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Hi, this is my 5 months Doberman Pit mix called Xóllotl.
Welcome! I don't see a photo?
Anubis81
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This is Ares, my doberman x pit. He was bought as a family pet with no consideration as to pedigree before we bought our current full blood Doberman, Naomi.
I would like to ask all those members who have commented along the lines of 'this is wrong', 'it disgusts me that they crossed a doberman with a pitbull' etc, what is it exactly that's wrong or disgusting about a crossbreed like Ares? Crossbreeds tend to be healthier and more long-lived unless specifically bred over many generations to look a certain way with complete disregard to the health of the resulting dog. Isn't the Doberman Pinscher a crossbreed that was later bred exclusively to look and behave a certain way?
It is not disgusting, wrong or unethical. It is what it is and just that. Breeds have been created by humans through selective breeding and the process is still ongoing. People do what they want. So long as it is done ethically and without harming the dogs, I don't see what's wrong with it.
I would like to ask all those members who have commented along the lines of 'this is wrong', 'it disgusts me that they crossed a doberman with a pitbull' etc, what is it exactly that's wrong or disgusting about a crossbreed like Ares? Crossbreeds tend to be healthier and more long-lived unless specifically bred over many generations to look a certain way with complete disregard to the health of the resulting dog. Isn't the Doberman Pinscher a crossbreed that was later bred exclusively to look and behave a certain way? It is not disgusting, wrong or unethical. It is what it is and just that. Breeds have been created by humans through selective breeding and the process is still ongoing. People do what they want. So long as it is done ethically and without harming the dogs, I don't see what's wrong with it.
Thr Doberman was bred with thought in mind to what the purpose of the breed should be. The original breeder developed a specific look and temperment. It was planned not an accident.
Is the person breeding and selling crosses really trying to improve or create a specific breed or are they just breeding because dogs have reproductive organs?
Should cross bred dogs even be sold? We had an accidental litter once. We thought the female left at our house we just bought was dspayed, and she wasnt. 11 puppies found their way into the world, got their first shots, handling by people, and were given away for free. We sucked up all the costs because it was an accident.
My major beefs with "designer dogs" are poor dogs are bred to poor dogs (conformationally or mentally unsound), the results are never the same (to make a breed you need to have reproducible results), and people do it for profit.
Is the person breeding and selling crosses really trying to improve or create a specific breed or are they just breeding because dogs have reproductive organs?
Should cross bred dogs even be sold? We had an accidental litter once. We thought the female left at our house we just bought was dspayed, and she wasnt. 11 puppies found their way into the world, got their first shots, handling by people, and were given away for free. We sucked up all the costs because it was an accident.
My major beefs with "designer dogs" are poor dogs are bred to poor dogs (conformationally or mentally unsound), the results are never the same (to make a breed you need to have reproducible results), and people do it for profit.
Welcome from Minnesota!
Ares is indeed a handsome boy.
I personally don't agree with purposely crossing 2 different breeds of purebred dogs but it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the pups and that they aren't beautiful and great dogs. Even breeding 2 purebred dogs of the same breed takes a lot of work and research to maintain or better the breed and shouldn't be done by just anyone because they have a male and female.
You have to understand as someone who wants to preserve the breeds that breeders take great pride in creating healthier puppies. The mixes are healthier argument is not always true. With mixes you have no standard therefor you have no knowledge of health, temperament, weight, height and so on. What most are against is purposely breeding mixes, and selling them as a "breed" I have two mutts and that's what they are mutts. My Doberman on the other hand is not.
Welcome from California.
He's a great looking dog. What do you know about the parent dogs? How old is he? Is he a "water dog" like some Dobers are?
Anubis81
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Dogs in the their natural form don't breed to suit the 'needs' of humans. They breed naturally. The planned, breeding of dogs has produced short lived breeds. Natural breeds like the Greek Shepherd and others live in excess of 15 years. Case in point, my own Greek shepherd, died at 18. Australian Kelpies, the same. Doberman's normally live up to 12 even after careful planned breeding. So I'm not really certain how 'purebreds' are somehow 'better'. It's a human silly convention. What makes a poor sire in nature is simply poor health. Conformation standards are an issue of human aesthetics. If you have a medically cleared dog of Breed A there shouldn't be an issue breeding it with a medically cleared female of Breed B. The rest is human ego....
Anubis81
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Welcome from California.
He's a great looking dog. What do you know about the parent dogs? How old is he? Is he a "water dog" like some Dobers are?
Father is a European fawn Doberman. Checked for heart disease, bloat, hip dysplasia and from a cancer free line as far as his own parents at least. Mother is an American blue nose pit, also health checked. Ares is now one. And yes he likes to splash around in water and roll in the mud.
