kevn
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I decided to have her spayed. I made an appointment.
"WZ" in AKC a Doberman Registration Number
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Thanks for posting and letting us know you are real. You were sounding like a troll, as you obviously are very well informed about this Z factor, and other health issues with the breed. Health, temperament and confirmation all should be considered when breeding canines. It's not just about one thing or the other - that is one of the reasons we are in this mess in the first place - people breeding for the wrong reasons. Think, and do your research; and consider the opinions of those that you ask. Otherwise why are you asking?
Spaying her will save you a lot of grief, but you might want to wait until matures a bit more. You can read up on this issue on this forum.
kevn
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I didn't even know what a "troll" was, I had to look it up. I DO consider opinions of people I ask, but since I don't know them, I want to know more about why they think what they do, especially if it is in conflict with other sources I've looked in to. Not saying they are wrong...just want to know where they are coming from. I work at a university in a scientific/engineering college, and I am used to debating technical issues all the time, so I that is maybe why I might sound like a "troll".
I do keep having this nagging thought about the AKC not being in complete agreement with the DCPA on this issue.
About spaying, she has not yet gone into heat. My understanding is that dobermans go into heat later than typical. Her birthdate was April 21st. My vet doesn't think it's too early, so I will go by her opinion.
There are varying opinions on time to spay. I was ALWAYS told to spay early, before the first heat. Even my vet told me to do so and Mischa was scheduled for last July (she would have been 4 months old) however upon doing my own research, decided to wait until after her first heat. There are pros and cons to both, and it's something you need to do your own research on and decided with your vet. I'm actually glad I chose to see a different vet at my practice who highly recommended waiting since she is a large dog. From what I have learned from people I have talked to, it seems most dobes don't go into their first heat before 13 months or so, and typically never over winter months. My plan is to wait until her first heat then schedule her spay for about 10 weeks after. For what it's worth, *most* vets will recommend an early spay and do not give you the pros of waiting or the cons of doing it early. They only give the pros of doing it early and the cons of waiting, which is why I suggest doing your own research on the pros and cons of each side.
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Vets always go for the early spay but fact of the matter is it hurts the dog. It's best to wait till at least two years of age before spaying.
Health Issues Linked to Spaying and Neutering Dogs
Drogon
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I think you've answered your own questions.
kevn
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No, I still have questions, but I won't go into that.
Drogon
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That's like saying 'The mechanic said my car isn't safe to drive but the state gave me a registration, so they're not in agreement'. AKC doesn't care and they tell you so on their web site although in different terms.
Drogon
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Then feel free not to reply. I'm going to continue as it really disturbs me.
Drogon
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I should clarify. Owning a Dobe with a WZ designation doesn't disturb me. The dobe will likely be fine without any issues. Not knowing any better, many people may purchase one but once they know, hopefully they've learned their lesson.
What disturbs me is wanting to breed one with a Z-factor
As for a spay, the females mature quite a bit faster than males so you really don't have to wait a full 2 years. We waited until Della went through her first heat at about 9 months, and had her spayed at something like 13 or 14 months.
It's great you're doing the research and have made the right decision @kevn
Now I wish you would post an intro thread in the intro section to let us know more about yourself and girl.
It's great you're doing the research and have made the right decision @kevn
Now I wish you would post an intro thread in the intro section to let us know more about yourself and girl.
kevn
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OK I will soon.As for a spay, the females mature quite a bit faster than males so you really don't have to wait a full 2 years. We waited until Della went through her first heat at about 9 months, and had her spayed at something like 13 or 14 months.
It's great you're doing the research and have made the right decision @kevn
Now I wish you would post an intro thread in the intro section to let us know more about yourself and girl.
Drogon
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Each individual vet has their own opinions about spaying and neutering. I've gone through a few vets since my previous one retired. I took Drogon in to have a check the day after I picked him up from the airport. One of the first things the vet said to me was 'Don't neuter him', since I didn't plan on it anyway I didn't ask why. A week or so later I took him to a different vet who is an ear crop surgeon to have Drogon's ear's posted. That vet sat me down and went over pros and cons of neutering vs not neutering. A month or two later I heard about a vet who is closer to me that people were very happy with, so I took Drogon in to see him. During our visit he asked 'When can we schedule his neuter?". Drogon was about 6 months old and he wanted to schedule it without even asking me about it.
3 different vets, 3 different opinions.
3 different vets, 3 different opinions.
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Spay/Neuter age is a decision best made by the individual owners based on their individual family dynamics and unique requirements.. i like to wait until the first heat with the females and won't consider a neuter until 2 years in males.. this is just my personal preference.. i dont really care what the vet says on this matter anymore.. unless of course it relates to a specific health condition..
Marinegeekswife
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Exactly, and the post after yours is a great example of why this matters. If a person knows their life circumstances, experience level, etc doesn't set them up to properly handle an intact dog they shouldn't wait for a spay or neuter. We didn't wait with Spock or River but likely will with future dogs because our experience level is much higher now and we can do so responsibly.
StarlightDobe
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I do not know if this was mentioned, in regards to registering dogs, it is the breeder that decides what sort of registration the dogs have, either full or limited, not the AKC. So if you have a shitty BYB cranking out inferior pups most likely they are selling them on "full registration" .. In a perfect world, we wouldnt have BYB but in a slightly less perfect world, we should be lucky enough to have someone track, and protect the dogs, by paying attention to the registrations and not allowing any "Z" factors to be granted full registrations.
