"WZ" in AKC a Doberman Registration Number

[Panama]

The research should be done BEFORE you consider a pup. I get your point regarding some pups from allowed colors might not carry the gene, however, what we you suggest the registration # begin with. WX - born from Z dogs but does not carry the gene themself? They need some sort of designation so if something were to "pop up", it can be traced back.

 

[Berni64]

I'm actually surprised on how many people are uneducated about this z factor. Obviously the AKC does not know without a DNA test of your dog if your dog is a carrier of the mutation. Do not discredit breeders with z factor. As a matter of fact I wonder if the AKC will rescind and fix that on the dogs pedigree if you DNA test and they are in fact not a carrier. Its rather unfair.

!! My male and female only are z-factor because the last known albino in their lineage was the first original albino 60+ years ago!!! My male is from Altobello Euro lines and my female from Euro- American. They produce huge, healthy pups and have been dna tested for dcm, wobblers, etc and are clear!!! I sooo do not understand the AKC’s purpose in putting the stupid Z in their registration!!

 

[Berni64]

I'm actually surprised on how many people are uneducated about this z factor. Obviously the AKC does not know without a DNA test of your dog if your dog is a carrier of the mutation. Do not discredit breeders with z factor. As a matter of fact I wonder if the AKC will rescind and fix that on the dogs pedigree if you DNA test and they are in fact not a carrier. Its rather unfair.

Also the Diversity Project by Embark encourages breeding this as well as the presence of a gene that has been “associated with” (but also associated with dogs without) dcm... and breed this out over time as it does not indicate a preponderance toward the dog developing dcm... it’s ridiculous

 

[Berni64]

The AKC automatically puts Z if there is a history in bloodline. DOES NOT in fact mean ur dobe is a carrier and should not be bred. U need DNA test to determine if ur do be is a carrier. If urs is then u should indeed not breed.

You are sooo right. My female has a z factor and dna test with embark shows 0% tendency for albinism

 

[Berni64]

The research should be done BEFORE you consider a pup. I get your point regarding some pups from allowed colors might not carry the gene, however, what we you suggest the registration # begin with. WX - born from Z dogs but does not carry the gene themself? They need some sort of designation so if something were to "pop up", it can be traced back.

So can we provide the dna test results to AKC to get the WZ changed??

 

[Berni64]

(I promise, I'll behave myself)

The AKC is a registry, period. They make $ on registrations (plus pedigrees, plus transfer of ownership). The DPCA is the Doberman Pinscher Parent Club. AKC does not set the breed standard, the Parent Club does.

No ethical breeder would breed an Albino or Z factored Dobe! Z Factored means a black, red, blue or fawn with a registration # beginning with WZ and has an ALBINO in its pedigree somewhere.

AKC does not determine whether you have Full Registration or Limited Registration on a dog. The breeder you purchased from did.

There is so much B.s. in the wz number system! If your dog’s pedigree in any way can be traced back to Sheba, the first recognized Albino 60+ yrs ago, it get a wz number! Yet can be dna tested and show 0% albinism in its genes!!! Facts!

 

[Berni64]

There is plenty of info out there on this subject. Reputable breeders only want to preserve the breed and produce healthy offspring. They spend much money on health testing before breeding. Z factor is just one thing when considering to breed. There is also breeding to the standard, does the dog possess proper structure, what is the dogs temperament. Is there a reason for not breeding the z factor dogs? Yes



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I will also point out that if z-factor was that credible, why would they be championed in the show ring... an obvious pre-req to breeding??

 

[Panama]

I will also point out that if z-factor was that credible, why would they be championed in the show ring... an obvious pre-req to breeding??

I haven't gone back and read everything from 2009, but I know I never said a "WZ" could not be shown. A black, blue, red or fawn that is registered as "WZ" are not excluded from the conformation ring as they are allowed colors! You just won't see many, if any, actually enter.

 

[Doberman Gang]

I will also point out that if z-factor was that credible, why would they be championed in the show ring... an obvious pre-req to breeding??

This is an old thread but sounds like you are looking for some kind of approval to breed your Z-factor dogs. There your digs you can do what ever you want, not sure if AKC will change your letters on your dog’s or not, but I highly doubt it. I don’t care if z-factor dogs championed in the show ring either. I am a working Doberman person, but If there is a chance of throwing albinism dogs from Z-factor dogs no matter how far back the original gene was from then I myself am against the risk. Do what you want