And of course I need to stir the sh!t pot on there lol
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"WZ" in AKC a Doberman Registration Number
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I went to their web site and they have a big gold emblem saying "Ethical Doberman Pinscher Breeder Award Winner", from TrainPetDog.com ... What an endorsement!
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FredC
You get those for trading links with TrainPetDog.com.. A lot of breeders have it on their web sites in an attempt to deceive potential customers.. its almost a red flag.. and worth keeping an eye out for..I went to their web site and they have a big gold emblem saying "Ethical Doberman Pinscher Breeder Award Winner", from TrainPetDog.com ... What an endorsement!
Well, they are apparently right with their GOD and wish us a "blessed" day. They are very aware of the opposition and are very defiant.
You know, I love freedom, but I think there should be some sort of testing (of humans) and licensing in order to be able to breed dogs. Lots of people think I need to be licensed and registered to ride a bicycle on the street. You need a license to catch a fish. But to create lots of new canine lives, and rip people off, and degrade an already suffering breed: Go right ahead!
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FredC
I'll never understand why people are so eager to be governed. It's never fair to punish the majority because of the actions of a few retards.. Reminds me a bit of Obama's latest executive action to punish a majority based entirely on the actions of a minority. I'm trying to think of a time when government intervention actually solved a problem without making it worse. Yeah I think I'll pass on a canine world controlled by HSUS type dictators. LOL at politicians creating laws based on ethics. Oh the hypocrisy!!!
Do you have an idea for how to stop irresponsible/ignorant/greedy people from breeding dogs?
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FredC
I do! The answer is you are not going to! As long as there is money to be made, some where some how there will be so kind of bad outcome. The best we can do is our part to educate people about what the facts are and hope they get it. We have to understand that some just won't. I do believe that like any market, supply and demand govern it. So if the dobes lovers united and educate, we will reduce the supply of the less than desirable. So in other words minimum the damage is the best you can hope for.
@kevn what you said about mutts living longer just can't be proven. There is no registry tracking them.
Hmm. When I think of hiring a contractor or plumber, I would like to know they are licensed. It's a form of assurance to folks before they entrust their homes to a person and pay them lots of money. In fact, we even look for dog trainers to be certified, insured and bonded.
Just to set something straight, as you have made it sound like I'm some sort of big government lover, I don't, in general, wish for more government regulation and more hoops and expenses for people looking to make a living. There ideally, however, ought to be some qualifications that people must meet before they are allowed to breed dogs and garner peoples' trust and take their money.
Haven't I heard that in Europe, breeders must prove that a Doberman has a title, or passes a temperament test, before it is bred? That is a pretty sound idea at least.
Sure, there'll always be a black market, and uninformed buyers.
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And the corruption is running rampant in the DV/IDC.(where a judge can judge his own K9). I personally do not see much of a difference in quality or health for that matter between the US and Europe.. Unlike you i am not rich and have no problems seeking a unlicensed qualified plumber as long as the work is guaranteed.. its semantics.. and regulation will cripple the breed.. Ask the europeans how sound and strong their bloodlines are.. The problem with Dobermans health comes primarily from a declining genepool.. and that is agitated by even yet more regulation.. some regulations coming from the breeds own ambassadors simply for the sake of competition (think new standard).. again who do you propose oversees the breeders.. HSUS or PETA? I am not attacking you or your opinion simply expressing my 100% disagreement with your government regulated proposal.. Dont forget more regulation will cost breeders more money who will in turn have their clients make up the difference.. Are you ok with paying $3500.00 Plus for a puppy the next time around?
I dont know what you do for a living but im sure you would be livid if some random person not even in your line of work started proposing more watch dog groups attack your means of providing for your family..
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I see what you're saying. I sometimes tend to think in ideals.
As for finding a trustworthy person to do a job for me that I don't know how to do, I am not connected, and I literally do not have one friend on this planet except for my wife, daughter and sister. So trying to find, for instance, a plumber or contractor who is qualified, but does not have the official proof that they are (supposedly) qualified is not very doable for me.
Come on over, everyone! Beer's on me!
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FredC
I can understand and relate to that.. probably much more than you think..
I guess for me i have to keep faith that the majority of mankind is good.and i fear how minority groups can fundamentally change the world for the rest of us.. Government seems all to eager to be our babysitters.. Take The Affordable Care Act as an example.. Notice how the G-men are already trying to take something away as fundamental as soda?because they supplement the health care system with our taxes they believe its their right to dictate what goes in and out of our bodies now.. Its already begun..
But there are alternatives to licenses. Imagine a civilian driven reviews site like Angie's List for example.. If the populace is truly serious about putting bad breeders on notice then something along those lines could be a great place to start.. Of course if the majority of the oet owning population doesn't care it wont work.. I can tell you as a breeder mankind has a long way to go when it comes to educating the general population.. Truly we are the educated minority when it comes to pet ownership.. Most animals are at best simply loved property.. Most have never heard of or care about where a puppy comes from and the differences between the good and bad.. and even when they try it all becomes very confusing because we all have a different idea of what is and isnt acceptable/ethical.. The world needs breeders of all types if diversity and health are your concern..
I guess for me i have to keep faith that the majority of mankind is good.and i fear how minority groups can fundamentally change the world for the rest of us.. Government seems all to eager to be our babysitters.. Take The Affordable Care Act as an example.. Notice how the G-men are already trying to take something away as fundamental as soda?because they supplement the health care system with our taxes they believe its their right to dictate what goes in and out of our bodies now.. Its already begun..
But there are alternatives to licenses. Imagine a civilian driven reviews site like Angie's List for example.. If the populace is truly serious about putting bad breeders on notice then something along those lines could be a great place to start.. Of course if the majority of the oet owning population doesn't care it wont work.. I can tell you as a breeder mankind has a long way to go when it comes to educating the general population.. Truly we are the educated minority when it comes to pet ownership.. Most animals are at best simply loved property.. Most have never heard of or care about where a puppy comes from and the differences between the good and bad.. and even when they try it all becomes very confusing because we all have a different idea of what is and isnt acceptable/ethical.. The world needs breeders of all types if diversity and health are your concern..
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Just realized we have veered completely off topic.. we should probably pick this conversation up in another thread or at a later time to make things a little easier on the Moderators..
kevn
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What do you mean, something seems amiss here? This is Zoey. I am not showing her pedigree because information about her breeders are on there; she has Z in her AKC number, and this clearly would not be good publicity for them. I will not ask questions, or make comments about the AKC Z designation on this forum again. -- Kevin
Why because you don't like the answers you are getting because they are honest and not what you want to hear ? Sorry but you didn't get her from a breeder you got her from a greeder. They don't need good publicity IMO. They need to be shut down. You'll get the same responses anywhere you go. Z shouldn't be bred plain and simple. Now you know for next time and hopefully you don't go off breeding her and creating more of a problem.
She is a very cute girl, but just because they're cute doesn't mean they're breeding material. I think both of our dogs are the most stunning dogs on the planet but they're still fixed. I'll leave the breeding to people with years of experience and have poured their life into researching how to better the breed.
I know you said we should shelf this of move the discussion, but I just wanted to say that is an interesting idea – a sort of "Angies List" of breeders. Oooh, boy there'd be pushback though.
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FredC
You would somehow have to confirm that the reviews were only coming from owners past or present along with other reasonably qualifying criteria. And then of course it would have to be very popular for it to be of any benefit.
