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Wolf kills off-leash dog on a walk with owner near Duluth lakeshore

Discussion in 'Canine News/Informative Articles' started by JanS, Feb 10, 2016.

  1. Oh Little Oji

    Oh Little Oji Formerly Tad Hot Topics Subscriber $ Forum Donor $

    When I say "ferocity, quickness, and wild, fight-to-the-death instinct" I don't mean that the coyote is not scared and will probably run away. Actually, I remember as a child in AZ having our smallish mixed breed dog run off a coyote from our yard. As I said, all of them I saw in AZ were small and skittish.

    What I mean, though, is that if a coyote did engage in a fight with a domestic dog I put my money on the wild animal. Seems to me they just go mano and don't quit. We may think, and have seen signs that, our Dobermans are pretty ferocious fighters; but I would think as domestic dogs – bred by mankind and facing no real danger their whole lives – as opposed to wild canines – where it's survival of the fittest and kill or be killed – our Dobes have a lower breaking point and more quit in them.

    I could be wrong of course. Just fun to talk about.

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  2. Gelcoater

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    An older story I heard years ago that happened out at the sand dunes I play at.
    A families large mixed breed (was gsd and something else?Lab maybe?
    Anyway,the family lost the dog out there.After staying an extra day looking they packed up and left.
    Got home,unpacked their crap then went to bed,sad and worried about their dog I would bet.
    Personally I would hope some one found my dog and took it home to find us.
    The guy jumped back in the truck and blasted back to the dunes to look for his dog.The wind had blown so all the tire tracks etc were gone.Virgin sand we call that.;)
    Comes upon dog tracks.Follows,to find another set intersect,a bunch of messed up sand where there was a tussle.Blood.
    And over by a small bush a dog shaped lump.
    A dead coyote.
    The tracks continued.
    Another set of tracks intersect.
    Another dead coyote.
    The tracks continue.
    Another dog shaped body.
    His dog.Covered in blood,alive,panting,worn out.
    Taken to the vet and checked out,some damage to his gums,minor,didn't need stitches,and a small nick on an ear.
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  3. Oh Little Oji

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    Well dog my cats, that's a cool story!
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  4. MyBuddy

    MyBuddy Moderator Hot Topics Subscriber

    The Rott saving the Chi hurt to watch! Of course I put Kali in the situation. :shock: I like to think that Buddy would come to her rescue like that but I'm not willing to test it! :nono:

    I think like this too, but I guess @Gelcoater story puts that to rest! lol! Size wise Buddy is a lot bigger than the coyotes I've seen here, so maybe that alone would help with a fight.

    The other video surprised me too. Two coyotes and neither took the offensive move. They stood their ground but did not attack. Maybe because there was a human there too. IDK
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  5. Gelcoater

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    I don't know that it's true,just an old camp fire story.
  6. MyBuddy

    MyBuddy Moderator Hot Topics Subscriber

    Oh. Well. We're back to square one then. :confused-alt: :spit:
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  7. Danaerys

    Danaerys New Member

    As it happens, a news story today describes a small dog killed by a coyote near my location. My neighbour likes to have her small doodles off leash in this area and I mentioned to animal control that someone might never know what happened when they can't find their dog. On leash, a coyote is less likely to try for it. I've even seen a mature Bald Eagle flying low down our street, checking the front yards for snacks! Before that day, I'd noticed that the large wild rabbit that had been fertilizing our lawns was missing.

    Dog’s remains found in park; owner says coyote to blame
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  8. MyBuddy

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    I forgot to mention that after reading all of this last night we go out to feed horses and I can hear coyote's yipping in the distance! :wideyed: I wanted to catch a video of the sound but by the time I brought the horses inside, I didn't hear them. :sour: It's so quiet out here that I knew it would come through on video and thought it would be pretty cool. O well, next time. ;)
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  9. Oh Little Oji

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    Do you live in the BC area? When we lived in the Seattle area, oh yeah, small animals and cats were fair game for the wild. You'd hear of raccoons taking cats, eagles taking cats and small dogs, and coyotes taking pets as well.

    Actually, in our town it was a running joke among some of us – the ubiquitous "missing cat" flyers. It's like, uh, I hate to break it to ya but your cat was probably dinner.

    Then there is the tale (urban legend?) of a tall evergreen tree that fell and the eagle's nest that was found contained a lot of cat collars.

    Man, I miss seeing Bald Eagles. We saw a fair amount in parts of Minnesota as well.
  10. Danaerys

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    I live next to the Grand River in Ontario. The river is a conduit for wildlife. I moved here for the trails, so I don't have to use my car to go hiking or running every day. In winter when the river is frozen farther north, the Eagles hunt in this area while it's open. They often check us out from above. But I've seen a juvenile being chased away by Seagulls!
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  11. Oh Little Oji

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    Ah. Cool. Yes, I remember not having to use a car in order to go for a hike. Granted, it was a couple mile run with my Dobe to and from the hike, but yeah.

    And yes, the seagulls sometimes like to hassle eagles. Or am I thinking crows?
  12. gettinggreyer

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    Owners fault for not watching, taking care of her dog. Letting it out to run. The coyote did what IS
    natural. The coyote is NOT the bad guy here.

    I see Eagles all the time. One time I counted 16, eating a deer that got hit by a car. At least once
    a week I see them flying over my chicken coop. Had to put a cover on my turkey pen last fall.

    My brothers 12 pound dog was actually carried off by a eagle 6 months ago. My sissy in-law saw
    it take the dog. SIL was letting the dogs outside to potty. They walk from the door to the kennel.
    The eagle picked the dog up while it was walking to the kennel. (About 4 feet from the door)
    SIL ran after the eagle. Then lost sight of the eagle. When she saw the eagle again, it was
    back in it's nest. (The nest is across the street from her house, on a farm.) SIL was screaming so
    much the farmer came out. SIL had already called Police Dept & Fire Dept. When PD came out they said
    there was nothing they could do; cause of Federal protection. She asked if she could at least look
    in the nest and take her dogs body. They said no, that it's considered harassment and illegal to
    bother a eagle nest. Then the farmer looked up and saw 2 Juvenile eagle's flying in a circle. He
    ran over, and there was SIL's dog! The dog was dropped in a pond. I guess that is how the parent
    eagles teach their babies to hunt. The dog was swimming to the end of the pond and hid in the
    bushes until my SIL picked her up! The dog was immed brought to the vet, she was in shock and
    had to have IV, and had a few scratches on her neck and ear. SIL's dog is fine, but now scared to
    go out. SIL now only carries her dogs in the kennel that is covered, to got potty now. When I was
    at her house this last w/e, I saw the eagle in the tree watching. SIL said that in the morning it was
    waiting on their garage roof! Scary! I heard the story about the collars. I'd bet it's true.
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  13. Oh Little Oji

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    Quite an interesting account of your sister in law's dog getting picked up by that eagle! Yeah, I do imagine that would mess with a dog's mind pretty good – going for a ride through the air under an eagle!
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  14. Oh Little Oji

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    Come to think of it, and speaking of coyotes, another thing I saw out my back windows in Western Washington was a coyote galloping across the length of my yard with one of my neighbor's chickens in its mouth.

    We didn't detect much coyote activity near our property until the nice folks moved in next door with chickens.
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  15. gettinggreyer

    gettinggreyer Hot Topics Subscriber

    Very scary that the coyote is so used to people. I wouldn't let my small child play in the yard there!

    Scary. They should be scared of people!

    Here I see ad's in the paper asking to hunt/trap coyote. Here's from the DNR here--- The coyote are NOT
    protected here. By me when they migrate they follow the river's. When the coyote are here the wolves are not.
    When the wolves are here, the coyote move on....

    Population and management
    Most coyotes live less than two years in the wild, though one animal is known to have reached 13 years of age. It's difficult to estimate coyote populations. Densities vary from one coyote for every three miles during high population years to one coyote for every five or six miles during lower population years. Coyotes can be harvested by hunting and trapping. In Minnesota, roughly 4,000 are shot or trapped each year.

    Coyotes were once common on Minnesota's southern prairies but were quite rare throughout northern forests. After widespread logging and fire created better habitat for small mammals, coyotes began to extend their range. Due to intensive agriculture, their numbers dwindled on the prairies. In recent years, however, the coyote appears to be increasing once again in southwestern counties.
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  16. Cariboo Country

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    Years ago when there was a Bounty on Coyotes on the Prairies, the fellow we got our first Greyhound from used to hunt them with his Greyhounds. They did finally take the Bounty off and he moved out to B.C. The Greyhounds would run down the Coyotes, slashing at them as they ran past to slow them down. They usually had a dog of another breed like an Airedale to finish them off or the hunters shot them.
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  17. JanS

    JanS DCF Owner Administrative Staff Moderator Hot Topics Subscriber

    That's the case with us and we have all wolves.

    When Hubby goes hunting on a ranchers place in WY they ask them to take out the coyotes as part of the trade to hunt on their land because they're devastating their livestock so much. I don't know if Hubby has taken any out, but I don't ask either. I know if he did they wouldn't feel a thing since he is a sure shot, but I'd rather not think about it either.

    I see Ravens and Eagles eating together on road kill all the time so it probably is Seagulls.
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  18. MyBuddy

    MyBuddy Moderator Hot Topics Subscriber

    Do the Coyotes kill that many livestock? I guess I've always heard that but now that I think about it, most livestock seems so large. I would think they'd be after rabbits and smaller prey?

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  19. JanS

    JanS DCF Owner Administrative Staff Moderator Hot Topics Subscriber

    I think it's mostly calves, goats and the smaller livestock, but out there, there is no such thing as fences so the range can be wide. All of the ranchers own a lot of land and I guess it's a no-no to ask how many acres they own because to them it's the same as asking someone how much money they have.
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  20. Danaerys

    Danaerys New Member

    I did read that a man who lived on an island in Lake Erie looked out his window one day to see two Bald Eagles attacking his Lab. He ran out and rescued his outnumbered dog. The odd time I see one leave the river and fly down the path we're on. And once an Eagle circled the dog park next to the river for about five minutes--I felt we were being sized up, but too much weight for one raptor.

    Another incident I read about was a local photographer who saw a juvenile Bald Eagle on a bush next to the road. She pulled over and got out of her car, but not wanting to scare the bird off, got down on the ground and crawled toward it. I think the bird thought she was injured and therefore easy prey, because it attacked her--twice! Her husband got out of the car and rescued her, but the bird's talon went right through her lower lip.

    I used to see foxes around here, but now it's just the coyotes. They are not indigenous, but the foxes were.
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