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Wolf kills off-leash dog on a walk with owner near Duluth lakeshore

Discussion in 'Canine News/Informative Articles' started by JanS, Feb 10, 2016.

  1. JanS

    JanS DCF Owner Administrative Staff Moderator Hot Topics Subscriber

    They had to do that at the Superior (WI) airport a few years ago since they were all over the runways and very dangerous for planes landing. I thought all airports were fenced in but maybe that one isn't since it isn't commercial.

     
  2. Drogon

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    I don't think we have wolves around here but we certainly have coyotes. A coyote will generally run from a full grown Dobe. I do have some concerns when I let Drogon run free. Drogon would probably chase a coyote. I'm not really sure how fast they are, so I don't know if he could ever catch one.
    Anyone know if coyote tracks are different than dog tracks? Sometimes we walk in a pretty remote part of the park and I've noticed tracks that I thought were dogs but then realized that I didn't see any human footprints to go along with the 'dog' tracks, which made me think maybe it wasn't a dog after all.
     
  3. gettinggreyer

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  4. Danaerys

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    I live next to a natural area and community trail. Over the years the increasing coyote population is a concern, although I haven't heard of any serious problems yet. I think there is an abundance of natural prey so any confrontations are more likely to be due to encroaching on a coyote den. But lately I've come across their kills, and they're not able to crush the femur of an animal as large as a raccoon. I read that a wolf can crush the femur of a moose.

    I found this femur on a trail recently and it appears to be the right size for a dog or coyote. There are very large deer tracks next to it, probably from a large buck, and small rabbit tracks to the left.

    I'm relieved that my Dobe tries to avoid any kind of wild carnivore, just based on their scent. His reactions tell me when coyotes are nearby. I now carry coyote spray on my hiking belt, just in case. There have been cases of raccoon rabies in an area not terribly far away, so I'm concerned about what the summer may bring.
     

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  5. Oh Little Oji

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    Growing up in the Sonoran Desert, the coyotes we'd see were always small and spindly and skittish.

    Years later I remember hearing a TV news reporter from Baltimore reporting seeing a coyote. He said the thing was so big with this massive chest.

    In Washington State, we would see some. Pretty small, really. One day, though, I got to watch a male coyote sneak out of the woods behind our house and sneak apples from underneath our trees. This coyote was lifting his leg and marking too. My male Doberman stalked toward him, but then laid down – not in submission – just calmly laid and watched the guy from a distance. Really, I think the reason is my boy was never exactly sure where the underground fence was in that area, and he gave it plenty of room.

    So he stayed where he was safe from the fence and just observed. Surprised he didn't even bark though. I guess it's possible my boy knew from the pee scent that that wild animal would probably kick his butt. I don't know. Just one theory. That Dobe was a tough cookie and really knew how to bite, but he was no wild animal.
     
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  6. MyBuddy

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    @Drogon did you catch the coyote on the news yesterday? I missed the story but saw the promo for it and they said he was found walking in an 'unlikely' area. I could see cars driving by so it didn't look rural and I thought it was in Northern Illinois somewhere.
     
  7. Danaerys

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    It seems to be common in B.C. This is one video I found on youtube:



    In the city where I live Canada Geese are a more frequent problem on campuses. In nearby cities, police have asked people not to call them if they find a coyote on their porch! Usually the animal looks very sick in that situation; mange, tape worm, or rabies could be a factor.
     
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  8. MyBuddy

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    Wow, I'm very surprised how many people walked right by him without a fleeting glance! He seemed a bit confused and if it were me, I would be very wary. Certainly not walking right in front of him. Who knows if he is sick and will lash out. When he stopped stock still in the beginning of the video, I thought the video stopped! LOL He stood so still I wondered what he was doing! He didn't seem frightened much at all.
     
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  9. Oh Little Oji

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    People are pretty good at being oblivious to danger.
     
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  10. JanS

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    That's a natural instinct with many wild animals when they're in cover so no one sees them move to spot them. Even if you spook a deer they don't run far and stand still like a statue so they won't be noticeable.
    That's exactly right. A coyote is much smaller than a Doberman and has to rely on smaller prey like squirrels and rabbits, but a wolf can take down very large animals with ease. We have a ton of fox around too but they're really small (slightly bigger than a house cat) and their big coat makes people think they're much bigger.
     
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  11. MyBuddy

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    Ah, yes, you are right. I didn't think about that. That's exactly what he was doing. I've seen deer do it all the time. Remember the time I posted not too long about the four deer that came right up the driveway by the kitchen? The dogs were going nuts! They were all standing stock still looking at the house, deciding their next move lol
     
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  12. Gelcoater

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    My feeling is a Coyote could outrun our dogs,and in a one on one our dogs could overpower one.
    I typically don't let mine chase coyotes,exception being that jogger incident years ago.

    One known tactic of the coyote is to lure a dog away where the rest of the coyote pack awaits.Then,our dogs don't stand a good chance.
     
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  13. Danaerys

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    I think it might depend on the terrain. In the woods a coyote would be more agile, but in an open space it might depend on the dog. I used to have Borzois, and they could outrun a wolf but not fight one on one with a big sturdy wolf. I think they've used Borzois on the prairies to hunt down coyotes, but they'll have a pack of three dogs.

    The coyotes here seem to be ambush predators. They'll lie in wait at a spot where deer cross the road or where raccoons cross the trail to get to the river.

    The tracks I've seen look about the size of a Border Collie's.
     
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  14. MyBuddy

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    This I agree on.
    This I'm not sure. Buddy sure can cover a lot of ground, quickly. Maybe the coyote could maneuver better. Not sure who would win. Don't want to find out. I don't know if he's ever seen one. When we hear them howling at night he never shows an interest in seeking them out.....and I am quick to say, "In the house!!!!" lol
     
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  15. MyBuddy

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    Somewhere I posted a video of Buddy chasing a rabbit and boy, I thought he was going to catch him but that thing darting left and right so many times Buddy was dizzy. Plus he darted through the bushes and stuff that Buddy had to maneuver ! :D
     
  16. Drogon

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    I'm not sure about speed. I've seen a few videos where a Rottweiler almost catches one and I know most Dobes are much faster than most Rots. I'm pretty sure in a side by side race most dobes are faster than most coyotes. I think coyotes are 'quicker' in agility and could likely 'get away' from a Dobe especially in a wooded area.
    Coyotes are only about 40/5 lbs so a full grown dobe could certainly overpower one if it ever caught it.
     
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  17. Oh Little Oji

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    Interesting. Overpower, yes, probably. But ferocity, quickness, and wild, fight-to-the-death instinct? Seems to me that goes to the coyote. But yeah, I suppose if your Doberman has the instinct to really try to kill the animal it is going after it should have the advantage in size and power and thus might prevail.
     
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  18. Drogon

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    Maybe that depends on location too. Coyotes down in AZ where my mom lives aren't very fearful of humans and often snatch and kill small dogs. Around here (Illinois & Wisconsin) and in Iowa where I grew up, coyotes run away at the sight of a person.

    We've run across a couple when hiking. One time 3 or 4 deer crossed our path about 500 yds away ... followed by a coyote. Drogon kind of froze and went into a crouch (As if he could sneak up on them from 500 yds away lol). I reached down and put him back on lead but didn't give any correction as I wanted to see what he was going to do. He stood up as if he was trying to get a better look. The coyote noticed us and stopped chasing the deer and looked directly at Drogon and/or me long distance. The coyote let out a little "yip". Drogon let out big bark and the coyote took off back the way he came. He kept running further, stopping and looking back, then running again. He certainly seemed concerned that Drogon might be following him.
     
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  19. Drogon

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    Here's a great vid on the subject
     
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  20. Drogon

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    Another good one
     
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