Idk @Ravenbird…if you were able to use “quiet” to stop barking and she understands this, then I think you have a good shot at using “quiet” for whining. Especially since you are so diligent with your training. Then if she stops whining after the command quiet, then reward the non whining. That’s a pretty good win-win right there.
Truthfully, I've let it go for so long now, I rarely even scold her for it anymore. I really wanted to fix the long down whining in IGP, because even tho we passed our BH, all the other levels had the long down also, so I was thinking of our future trials. Now that I'm not doing IGP, there is nothing comparable for trial reasons. It's one of those things I pretty much gave up on...
Its inherent. I've found the whining is USUALLY for a good reason; out of water, potty, pain, need more mental stimulation, blanket pulled over them..
Asha whines because it's close to feeding time or she has been left alone, or as you mentioned crating at shows. Like yesterday (TMI maybe) we got a rat in a live trap, then I dispatch it by putting the cage under water. Gross, I know, but poison is not an option. Asha gets totally wild when she realizes one is in the trap and alerts me to it by barking and carrying on. To make things easier, I took her inside and closed her in my bedroom, then went outside to take care of the rat. LOL you could hear her 100 yards away and all the windows were closed. FOMO (fear of missing out) rears its ugly head. It starts as whining then escalates to high pitch yipping and protest barking. Stopped when I got back to the house. She only did this because she knew I was dealing with the rat without her. If I go to work at my neighbors she doesn't do this, but after an hour or two will start a moanful howling. With the long down whine it was a pity party whine, loud enough for everyone to hear, but not howling. So yeah, with her it's simply a protest thing. I don't mind the vocal stuff for the list above at all.
At the last trial I did try a new thing: Crating with the door open while I sat in front of it. She wasn't allowed out, but it made her happier and quiet.
No, I haven't used a crate in the house for years. If I need to lock her away I just put her in my bedroom. (She vocalizes but never touches or destroys anything, so leaving her in the house or my room is safe.)
All of my other dogs? Perfect. Not a peep. They've been crated at shows since they were itty bitty. At home, they are crated randomly throughout the day now with 4 dogs in the house as we rotate them to keep things fair and sane
I think this is key: Anything they learn as a puppy sticks better than what you start teaching at a year plus!
I’m not really sure how to train for that at a show without being a major annoyance to everyone. I think the training place by me is doing “rent a ring” now, so maybe I can do that and just use some of the time crating him
Yeah, it can be a problem, especially when, as I just said, they don't grow up doing it. Here we are at the last trial, over 100 dogs in a small room. Asha was not a happy camper. Again, I'm blessed that she just vocalizes and doesn't tear anything up. I can zip her up in the soft side crate and leave to go watch a run, she may whine but so far no barking or howling at a show.
@MichiH sorry taking your thread so far off topic!
