New FCI Dobermann Standard 1/8/2016

[Doberman Gang]

There are so many crop and docked breeds in akc I think it would be hard for them to change. It would upset to many breeds and people.


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[FredC]

There are so many crop and docked breeds in akc I think it would be hard for them to change. It would upset to many breeds and people.


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That scenario would only ever play out if it was nationally outlawed.. The AKC has no say in any breeds standard so it could never be pulled off in such a fashion.. the only way such a thing could or would take hold here is if the DPCA collectively voted to change the standard or individual states outlawed the practice.. And the latter would take some decades to accomplish completely.. (IMO)

 

[Dobie Wan Knobie]

That scenario would only ever play out if it was nationally outlawed.. The AKC has no say in any breeds standard so it could never be pulled off in such a fashion.. the only way such a thing could or would take hold here is if the DPCA collectively voted to change the standard or individual states outlawed the practice.. And the latter would take some decades to accomplish completely.. (IMO)

I could see that happening one state at a time.

How many years did it take for the FCI to make the change, after it really started considering it?

 

[FredC]

I could see that happening one state at a time.

How many years did it take for the FCI to make the change, after it really started considering it?

I think the first laws started popping up on the books around the mid 80's however i shouldn't be quoted..

 

[JanS]

the only way such a thing could or would take hold here is if the DPCA collectively voted to change the standard or individual states outlawed the practice..

That's a reason I stay in the DPCA. Some of the people on the ballots don't stand for the C/D Doberman anymore, so if they were to get in and let things slip through the cracks it could be the start of a big downturn.

 

[JanS]

Vera M. posted this screenshot yesterday and there is some encouragement there. It's kind of hard to read, but doable.

 

[Archer]

I saw that update yesterday and although it carries some hope with it, it is still not enough imho as they supporting countries that ban c/d.

 

[JackieLund]

Ears: The ears, are left natural and of an appropriate size; they are set on either side at the highest point of the skull and are ideally lying close to the cheeks.
TAIL: The tail is left natural and is ideally carried high in a slight curve.

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but why would they change the standard of a breed? Are other breeds steering away from cropped ears and docked tails too?

 

[AresMyDobie]

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but why would they change the standard of a breed? Are other breeds steering away from cropped ears and docked tails too?

Stupid animal rights extremist .... That pretty much sums it up :/

 

[JanS]

Are other breeds steering away from cropped ears and docked tails too?

They're trying to ban it for all breeds of dogs and it has passed in many countries already. Like Are's said, it's the stupid extreme AR activists behind it all.

Not a stupid question at all.

Here is a list of docked breeds and that doesn't include all of the cropped ones.
List of Traditionally Docked Breeds
Airedale Terrier
American Cocker Spaniel
Australian Silky
Australian Shepherd
Australian Terrier
Bouvier des Flandres
Boxer
Bracco Italiano
Brittany
Cane Corsa
Clumber Spaniel
Cocker Spaniel
Dobermann
English Springer Spaniel
Fell Terrier
Field Spaniel
German short-haired pointer
German wire-haired pointer
Giant Schnauzer
Glen of Imaal Terrier
Griffon Bruxellois
Hungarian vizsla
Irish Terrier
Italian Spinone
Jack Russell Terrier
Kerry Blue Terrier
King Charles Spaniel
Lakeland Terrier
Large Munsterlander
Lucas Terrier
Miniature Pinscher
Miniature Poodle
Miniature Schnauzer
Neopolitan mastiff
Norfolk Terrier
Norwich Terrier
Old English Sheepdog
Patterdale Terrier
Parson Jack Russell Terrier
Pembroke Welsh Corgi
Pinscher
Polish Lowland Sheepdog
Rottweiler
Russian Black Terrier
Schipperke
Schnauzer
Sealyham Terrier
Smooth Fox Terrier
Soft-coated Wheaten Terrier
Spanish Water Dog
Standard Poodle
Sussex Spaniel
Swedish vallhund
Toy Poodle
Weimaraner
Welsh Springer Spaniel
Welsh Terrier
Wire-haired Fox Terrier
Yorkshire Terrier

 

[Gelcoater]

They're trying to ban it for all breeds of dogs and it has passed in many countries already. Like Are's said, it's the stupid extreme AR activists behind it all.

Not a stupid question at all.

Here is a list of docked breeds and that doesn't include all of the cropped ones.
List of Traditionally Docked Breeds
Airedale Terrier
American Cocker Spaniel
Australian Silky
Australian Shepherd
Australian Terrier
Bouvier des Flandres
Boxer
Bracco Italiano
Brittany
Cane Corsa
Clumber Spaniel
Cocker Spaniel
Dobermann
English Springer Spaniel
Fell Terrier
Field Spaniel
German short-haired pointer
German wire-haired pointer
Giant Schnauzer
Glen of Imaal Terrier
Griffon Bruxellois
Hungarian vizsla
Irish Terrier
Italian Spinone
Jack Russell Terrier
Kerry Blue Terrier
King Charles Spaniel
Lakeland Terrier
Large Munsterlander
Lucas Terrier
Miniature Pinscher
Miniature Poodle
Miniature Schnauzer
Neopolitan mastiff
Norfolk Terrier
Norwich Terrier
Old English Sheepdog
Patterdale Terrier
Parson Jack Russell Terrier
Pembroke Welsh Corgi
Pinscher
Polish Lowland Sheepdog
Rottweiler
Russian Black Terrier
Schipperke
Schnauzer
Sealyham Terrier
Smooth Fox Terrier
Soft-coated Wheaten Terrier
Spanish Water Dog
Standard Poodle
Sussex Spaniel
Swedish vallhund
Toy Poodle
Weimaraner
Welsh Springer Spaniel
Welsh Terrier
Wire-haired Fox Terrier
Yorkshire Terrier

Is there a list of countries where it's already banned?With it I could probably pose a pretty good (albeit fairly political) answer to the question asked by
@JackieLund

 

[JanS]

Is there a list of countries where it's already banned?With it I could probably pose a pretty good (albeit fairly political) answer to the question asked by
@JackieLund

It's actually pretty grim.
Dobermann Review - Info Library - Cropping and docking

 

[OldHatt45]

Quite Frankly, I believe the FCI, the DV and the IDC should be flooded with email, snail mail, etc. that opposes this change. I also believe that the politicians in these countries that have banned Cropping and Docking need to be flooded with email, snail mail, etc. opposing these laws. I also believe that the leaders that have caved in to these AR types need to be removed from their respective offices and replaced by people that truly have our dogs welfare in mind. It is a pretty sad day that these AR people (a vocal minority) are taking away our ability to choose what we want to do.
I read a quote some time ago that is quite appropriate. "When a conservative doesn't like something they just don't do it. When a liberal doesn't like something they want everyone to stop doing it." Unfortunately, the world is populated with too many liberals, that are gradually taking all of our rights and ability to choose what we want to do, and not just with our dogs.

 

[DoberMink]

Regardless of political affiliation, people put theor agebdas 1st all the time. Not to get too ravey, but look at the abortion arguement, gay rights, religious expression, ect. It doesn't matter what party doesn't like it. Eventually they persevere enough to get what they want because 'fanatical' persistance wears everyone else down enough to hust give in. If only enough people stayed as diligent as the ones taking away our freedoms, this wouldn't be happening all over the place. Not just with dogs either. Look into what they are doing in the reptile community. It's very sad, and so many of us feel so helpless. We just lack the time, funds, and energy as a whole to keep fighting I think. Not to mention the financial cost of fighting back. And if someone didn't 'Give' then we might very well have another civil war on our hands. =(

 

[DD4MSpock]

What is the current status of this policy in the USA? I also favor C/D'ed dobies as long as it's done at the appropriate age by a reputable Vet. Are you now finding that vets are less willing to perform the procedures?

 

[JanS]

Are you now finding that vets are less willing to perform the procedures?

There are less and less around here and I'd have to travel at least 200 mile to the closest crop vet. But there are still a lot of reputable crop vets out there. I think most around here still dock though.
Our vet stopped cropping because he said so many wouldn't keep up on the after care and it reflected on him when they were floppy.