New FCI Dobermann Standard 1/8/2016

[Drogon]

On 6.September 2013 at the IDC 2012 congress it has been decided that the breed standard is due to a change...for worst. Take a deep breath and sit down: Starting form 1.1.2015 dobermann will become and all-natural breed - no more cropping and docking! Even if you're from a county that allows it. In fact, if you're from a county that allows it you can still do it but you can't compete at FCI dog shows (which basically means you can't compete at any show). Just like many things that are considers flaws according to dobermann standard (and if present they will decrease the score), there are some things that will totally prevent a dog from being judged, called disqualifying faults (like missing testicles in males, yellow eye, missing teeth, white spots on coat)...and now cropped ears and docked tail will also be considered a disqualifying fault. There's no need to guess what will become of dobermann breed, one should only look at what happened to the countries, that once ruled the dobermann world, since they introduced docking/cropping ban. Yes, maybe looks aren't everything and people that already have a dobermann know how to appreciate a magnificent character that they have but it's hard to imaging that the new generations seeking a dog companion will settle for something that hardly resembles an image of a dobermann that they have in their mind. In our collective mind there's just room for one image of this dog and I bet it's not the variant with natural ears and tails.

Ears: The ears, are left natural and of an appropriate size; they are set on either side at the highest point of the skull and are ideally lying close to the cheeks.
TAIL: The tail is left natural and is ideally carried high in a slight curve.

https://doberman-chat.com/threads/fci-dobermann-standard.9/#post-138

 

[AresMyDobie]

Wow....

 

[JanS]

Damn, I was afraid that was going to go through.

 

[AresMyDobie]

What does that mean for those who like their dogs cropped and docked ?

 

[JanS]

What does that mean for those who like their dogs cropped and docked ?

If you want to show them within the FCI it's no longer the accepted standard.

 

[AresMyDobie]

If you want to show them within the FCI it's no longer the accepted standard.

That's stupid.

 

[FredC]

That's stupid.

What's stupid is why the DV did it in the first place.

 

[sgourle]

At least there's enough time for dogs born in the last year or so to title before the change *shrug* This is unfortunate.


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[MyBuddy]

That sucks.

 

[strykerdobe]

Breeders should stop showing in those shows!
It's all about AR's

 

[FredC]

Breeders should stop showing in those shows!
It's all about AR's

Many have but of course there are so many countries that C/D is illegal that many have welcomed the standard change as a way of leveling the playing field against the Cropped Dobermann.. And is exactly why the Germans modified the standard in the first place.. Totally 100% politics, and had very little to do with the dogs themselves.. The AR movement made the procedures illegel, but the breeds biggest ambassadors are the ones who sold the standard as it was intended out... As a matter of fact their is a single Dictator in the DV that did this so German dogs would again be competitive.. Pipe dream as German Dobermanns have historically had problems winning without Mr Wiblishauser interference.. Hes also guilty of putting his sown dogs up at shows he judges.. Many will tell you he rules the DV/IDC much like the Mafia runs their organized crime cartels.. Of course the argument from the other side of the fence is that the breeders that broke away from the DV are all BYB's and or Puppy Mills.. Ive always found this blog pretty interesting. Dobermann Insider... Most of it reads like it was written by a formor disgruntled employee but there is no doubt some merit in regards to what they write... Dobermann Insider: Intentional Destructive Club 2015, or How Much Lower Can It Get?

The only dog that ever won anything that he bred was a below average bitch he made Siegerin himself! The joke is he had to judge his own dog for one ever to win anything. Similar story with Golda Franckenhorst – although he did not breed Golda he owned her but admitted he kept her in Sonja Franquemont’s name. This clearly was so he could judge (and co-judge) her at all the major shows. Like, when Hermann Menke (Dutch judge) wanted to put up Elaine v. Allgau as black Siegerin at the IDC Sieger show in Munich, Hans nearly broke his neck crossing the field to intervene and instructed Menke not to give her the title, but to Golda. Mr Kollenberg was also 'forced' to pass her ZTP with Hans in the field.
Source: Dobermann Insider: The Life [ Lies ] of Wibli

Breeding Statistics of Dobermann between 1999-2013 in Germany.(source - VDH)

 

[strykerdobe]

Many have but of course there are so many countries that C/D is illegal that many have welcomed the standard change as a way of leveling the playing field against the Cropped Dobermann.. And is exactly why the Germans modified the standard in the first place.. Totally 100% politics, and had very little to do with the dogs themselves.. The AR movement made the procedures illegel, but the breeds biggest ambassadors are the ones who sold the standard as it was intended out... As a matter of fact their is a single Dictator in the DV that did this so German dogs would again be competitive.. Pipe dream as German Dobermanns have historically had problems winning without Mr Wiblishauser interference.. Hes also guilty of putting his sown dogs up at shows he judges.. Many will tell you he rules the DV/IDC much like the Mafia runs their organized crime cartels.. Of course the argument from the other side of the fence is that the breeders that broke away from the DV are all BYB's and or Puppy Mills.. Ive always found this blog pretty interesting. Dobermann Insider... Most of it reads like it was written by a formor disgruntled employee but there is no doubt some merit in regards to what they write... Dobermann Insider: Intentional Destructive Club 2015, or How Much Lower Can It Get?


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Breeding Statistics of Dobermann between 1999-2013 in Germany.(source - VDH)

Tks for the info!

 

[katie's mom]

this really makes me ill. if I want to get another Dobie at some point, there will now be fewer and fewer vets who will perform quality cropping. someone on this forum might, in the near future, own the last cropped and docked Doberman!

 

[FredC]

This is specifically relating to the FCI DV/IDC. Mostly European Dobermanns across the Atlantic. This is not related to the AKC, DPCA... Yet...

 

[AresMyDobie]

This is specifically relating to the FCI DV/IDC. Mostly European Dobermanns across the Atlantic. This is not related to the AKC, DPCA... Yet...

Exactly key word ... Yet. Gosh I hope that doesn't happen !

 

[Doberman Gang]

My dogs will always be cropped and docked.


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[FredC]

My dogs will always be cropped and docked.


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All of them? Lol can't wait to see the Mal.

 

[Doberman Gang]

All of them? Lol can't wait to see the Mal.

Ha ha, well there ears stand naturally but those tails do tend to smack the crap out of you. Lol


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[Dobie Wan Knobie]

The FCI Standard has reduced the Dobermann to the looks of a hound dog, albeit a good looking one, but that special recognition that has characterized the breed is gone - possibly forever - in Europe, including the home country of the birth of the breed. Pitiful!!! This should tell us just how powerful the AR PTB are, and that they will come after the standard in the USA, and in fact are doing so.
If there is anyone in the DPCA and AKC that endorse, and would even consider this change, then they are no friend of the Doberman whatsoever. I understand that some people want "choice" in the matter, but if natural ears and tail are allowed as a choice in the standard then it is just a stepping stone to a complete change. If you want a natural eared and tail pet, then that is your choice, but keep it out of the standard, and do not allow the freedom of choice to bring about permanent change in the breed standard, which will forever impact the Doberman that we know and love. While the heart of the Dobermann will not change, the look, which is important, will forever be changed.

As breeders breed towards the new standard the look of the Dobermann will change even more.

"Here is Transilvanian hound, Slovenian hound, Latvian hound, Austrian Brandlbracke, Poland hound, Yugoslavian mountain dog, etc. and Dobermann. From the most recognizable breed to one of the many hounds."

 

[JanS]

If there is anyone in the DPCA and AKC that endorse, and would even consider this change, then they are no friend of the Doberman whatsoever.

I totally agree here. The DPCA is fighting it at this point, but who is elected in the club also makes a big difference.