[fci] Dobermann Breed Standard Changes On 1st Of January 2015

[iceman]

Yes, I can see that. I'm in the no cropping or docking camp then.

Fair enough...it's your right to decide what you want..

now, what about my right to decide on what to choose?

 

[anna.m.88]

You'll have to ask the Germans. I'm just the peanut gallery.

 

[Dobs4ever]

There is a lot more to dobermans than cropped ears and docked tails.

That is a very easy statement to thow out by folks who have no vested interest in the preservation of this breed or who have no concept of how a standard works to help guide breeders. While I understand the choice factor it should not apply to purebred dogs. Standard must be adhered to as best one can and to do otherwise insinuates the breed does not matter just our personal wants and desires and the breed be hanged.

If people understood this and the AR groups had not done such a good job of brain washing the uneducated masses this would have never even come into question as it has alwasy been a cropped docked breed and in the beginning of the bans the even exempted the working dogs which shows me they understood it's value but chose to dummy down the breed regardless to appease people who have not interest in the concept of purebred.

Without that standard any old mutt will do because it is only the sacred written standard that has protected and preserved this breed for over 100 years. The AR groups are slowly but sure gaining momentum and the dogs are loosing. Once the standards fall then the dogs will soon follow.

 

[FredC]

Trying to see the positive side of this breed standard change and finally i came up with one..

At least we will be able to see how many dobermann people actually love the breed for its superior character and not for the looks...

We'll that's not really effective since some of the most vain people in the world come from the USA.

 

[Betty]

I think it matters not one toss to the breed itself as a functional dog breed. Only thing it will do,which is very sad, is push the non believers out of the breed.
Cropping and docking is purely aesthetic and of no consequence to the breeds ability to work.
I personally think banning anything is horseshet, freedoms to live as we choose (within reason) is being stripped from us all. It's a very sad state of affairs.
This is the REAL tragedy here. Next thing they will betaking our guns and all our rights,oh wait...........

There is a ton of post on this. This is a very hot topic. The interesting thing here is "I" made the decision not to crop, both my dogs ears. Jade was way to old when I got her and Rocco was in poor health and 13 weeks. So, that was a decision I made for MY pets!!!

With that being said, I am so tired of people making decisions for everyone! It should be NO ONES business if you do or do not crop! That just drives me crazy! I also love the cropped look! Just because I decided not to crop doesn't mean I that right taken away! Who knows what I will want in the future.

But, as an owner with a dogs with uncropped ears. It doesn't change the personality of the breed... they are still loving, sweet, goofy, etc... I would still own one even if I don't have choice...

 

[thewalkingdead]

I believe everyone should have the choice. Ears and tails dont make the dog. I do prefer the cropped and docked look. However, those choices shouldnt be taken away from any of us. Shame on IDC.

 

[anna.m.88]

Why are you attacking me?

 

[anna.m.88]

What you have said doesn't convince me the changes are bad. It just convinces me you think I am dumb. Doberman's can't show in Europe if their ears and tails are cropped and docked. Its an American aesthetic and I agree with the changes because I don't think it takes away from the integrity of the breed. But I don't think people who liked cropped ears and tails are brainwashed dummies. I think you should be more respectful in your argument. Name calling is not convincing and is not a part of the debate, I also shouldn't feel attacked if I want to enter a debate about a breed I obviously care about. Please stop.

 

[Dobs4ever]

New I believe everyone should have the choice. Ears and tails dont make the dog. I do prefer the cropped and docked look. However, those choices shouldnt be taken away from any of us. Shame on IDC.

If everyone thinks they have the "choice" to do what they want then we don't need a breed club or a breed standard - just do what you want. Each breed was specifically selected and bred for specific purposes then they set a standard for the future generations to follow. If not then go create your own breed and make it look however you want.

We are in the mess we are in because people felt entitled to do what they wanted regardless of a breed standard.- Anyone who does not beleive in the standard is FREE to choose any breed that fits their little hearts desire.

With no standard we it becomes exactly what we are seeing EVERYONE is loosing the right to maintain the vision of a beautiful correct Doberman - without a standard there is no breed. Every single word in that standard must be adhered to or the entire structure collapses.

 

[FredC]

Why are you attacking me?

Huh??? Who?

 

[Betty]

Today it has been announced at the annual congress of the International Dobermann Clubs (IDC) that the Dobermann breed standard is definitely being changed on 1st of January 2015 banning cropping & docking.

From 1st of January 2015 no uncropped or/and docked dog will be permitted to compete at shows..
Meaning only dogs cropped/docked before that date will be allowed to breed and register litters.

Sorry, I do not mean to be stupid... I tried to find this on the interent. I read this:
"From 1st of January 2015 no uncropped or/and docked dog will be permitted to compete at shows.." as saying the Dobermans have to have cropped ears and tail. However when I read through some of the post, everyone is saying that they are not going to be allowed to crop.

Can someone clarify for me... again, not meaning to be stupid. Also if someone has a webset, they could share with this information, that would be great.

 

[Dobs4ever]

Betty - the Germans make it confusing for everyone. They change the rules every single year for Schutzhund so you work and practice all year to get a dog ready and depending on when you actually get to show the rules could have and most likely have changed. They can't make up their feeble minds.

But they are banning c/d and that means no c/d dogs can show after jan 2015.

 

[iceman]

Sorry, I do not mean to be stupid... I tried to find this on the interent. I read this:
"From 1st of January 2015 no uncropped or/and docked dog will be permitted to compete at shows.." as saying the Dobermans have to have cropped ears and tail. However when I read through some of the post, everyone is saying that they are not going to be allowed to crop.

Can someone clarify for me... again, not meaning to be stupid. Also if someone has a webset, they could share with this information, that would be great.

At the time I made that post (only an hour after it was announced at the conference) it wasn't 100% clear...since then,it's been clarified that only cropped/docked dogs born before 1st of January 2015 will be allowed at shows & for breeding after this date..

 

[iceman]

But they are banning c/d and that means no c/d dogs can show after jan 2015.

If born before 1st of January 2015 dogs will be permitted to show and breed as long as they live...only dogs born after that date will not be allowed.

 

[Matt Vandart]

I think one thing really needs to be cleared up in all dog breeds. Standards were not created for function, or purpose, they were created for looks. Working dogs were bred for working ability and that was THE major factor taken into account on whether the dogs genes would be continued. As a working dog needs certain characteristics to do it's job a natural 'standard' would come about. All this written standard and conformation was the invention and whimsey of the Victorians and those that followed.
Not my opinion, just fact.

 

[iceman]

I think one thing really needs to be cleared up in all dog breeds. Standards were not created for function, or purpose, they were created for looks .

Woww..how did you come up with that idea?
Do you really believe 120 years ago, a dogs "looks" were so important to Karl Friedrich Louis Dobermann that he started cropping & docking his dogs?

 

[Matt Vandart]

You have got my statement arse backwards dude.

 

[iceman]

You have got my statement arse backwards dude.

please explain..

 

[Dobs4ever]

Standards were not created for function, or purpose, they were created for looks.

Whoa - no wonder we are in trouble - Once the breed was established the breed standard came about to PRESERVE and PROTECT what the creator envisioned. It described - describes not only appearance (of which much has to do with the function BTW) so that the future breeders could maintain the integrity of the breed. EX: Do you know why it (the standard) calls for a dark eye??????? It does not REFLECT Light in the night hence making it harder to see the dog. It is also why it calls for an almond eye - smaller and deeper set.............JFYI

Its an American aesthetic and I agree with the changes because I don't think it takes away from the integrity of the breed.

Another misnomer - From the beginning the German creator Herr Louis Dobermann cropped and docked for functional purposes. Until we educate folks on what a standard actually is and how long ago it was created we will have people who grossly misunderstand the very basic purpose of a purebred dog and why they even exist. Sadly in ingnorance they fight against what they do not understand and those of us who have dedicated our lives to learning everything we can about this breed are just blowing in the wind. To me that is one of the biggest obstacles we face.

 

[FredC]

Depends on the breed some breed standards should make anyone sick.. Some dog breeds can't even have puppies without a c section.. Others can barely breath properly yet they are all within their breed standard... Sickening really.. One of my favorite dog reads of all time is titled Rosettes to Ruins.
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