Doberman history tidbit

[Ravenbird]

I was dusting the other day and thought I should post pictures of this vintage Doberman, cast in iron it weighs 5 pounds, which is hefty for a small statue! It's from the 1940's or '50s, of the famous Muck v. Brunia. I'd found this history about him several years ago, and a short search found it for me again.

It's fun but time consuming to trace your tail male line (the tippy top sires) all the way back to the 1920's to see if Muck is there. I posted about this years ago, but thought I'd renew it for fun. Since there are many South American lines in our American pedigrees today, I do think I remember that a couple of those do NOT go back to Muck.

The article, with additional great rabbit-hole material:

Muck von Brunia and Genetic Bottlenecks

Muck von Brunia (1929 - 1940)A good source of information about the early history of the DV (German Doberman Club) can be found in a book called "100 Jarhe Dobermann-Verein E.V. 1899 - 1999". It's a yearly chronicle of the German Doberman Club from its inception in 1899 until its one hundred...

www.totaldobe.com

The old iron Doberman himself:

 

[BGpa]

I was dusting the other day and thought I should post pictures of this vintage Doberman, cast in iron it weighs 5 pounds, which is hefty for a small statue! It's from the 1940's or '50s, of the famous Muck v. Brunia. I'd found this history about him several years ago, and a short search found it for me again.

It's fun but time consuming to trace your tail male line (the tippy top sires) all the way back to the 1920's to see if Muck is there. I posted about this years ago, but thought I'd renew it for fun. Since there are many South American lines in our American pedigrees today, I do think I remember that a couple of those do NOT go back to Muck.

The article, with additional great rabbit-hole material:

Muck von Brunia and Genetic Bottlenecks

Muck von Brunia (1929 - 1940)A good source of information about the early history of the DV (German Doberman Club) can be found in a book called "100 Jarhe Dobermann-Verein E.V. 1899 - 1999". It's a yearly chronicle of the German Doberman Club from its inception in 1899 until its one hundred...

www.totaldobe.com

The old iron Doberman himself:

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Wonderful!
The author of that article is another follower of Ray Carlisle, and Vic Monteleone, and explains the "total dog" philosophy well. Bookmarked!

del'Aglio Dobermans - working Doberman Pinschers and dog training

Breeder of working Doberman Pinschers and dog training based in Staten Island, New York.

www.totaldobe.com

 

[remy]

I looked and he is in Remy’s pedigree (tail male) 17 generations back. Remy’s great grandsire is Argentinian but goes back to North American lines.

 

[Ravenbird]

I looked and he is in Remy’s pedigree (tail male) 17 generations back.

He is 21 generations back on Ashas Tail Male
He is 17 generations back on Dietrich's Tail Male (Dietrich was my girl born in 1991)

I do remember when I'd first read about almost every single Doberman tracing back to Muck I also did the other male lines in Ashas pedigree and I think all but one string led to Muck. It was one of those moments when I realized why genetic COI is so important and Pedigree COI means very little. In other words having no common ancestors in the first 4 generations doesn't mean the dog has a low genetic COI.

Next time I have a time slot for goofing off, I will trace all the male lines in Asha pedigree, to remind me how many times Muck appears.

All roads lead to Muck...