Doberman ear posting - improved method

Kaiser2016

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Does anyone have a photo of what a doberman with cropped ears would look like if the ears weren't posted? All the breeders in my area do not sell dogs with natural ears. And I would prefer not to put him through the multi-month ear posting process. Thank you all for your help!
Have you tried telling your breeder that you want your puppy to have its natural ears? I don’t see why they would insist if you, as a committed and pre-approved buyer, would prefer that. I would try asking first, even if the breeder website states otherwise. If they insist to crop, you could request a medium crop, often times those ears don’t require a very long posting time compared to longer ear crops.

My personal belief is that if a dog has been put through the surgery, it’s our obligation as owners to post the ears. Unposted, the ears will do whatever they want. Sometimes one will stand, sometimes both will flop, impossible to predict as each dog is unique.
 

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Am I doing something wrong? I've read and watched everything I can about ear posting. I. Do the backer rod method but Rose pops the bottoms out of her ears. Is this common? Is it ok to just pop them back in or should I repost when this happens? It's been a long time but if , I recall with my first Dobe I would just put them back in and her ears turned out nicely
 

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Am I doing something wrong? I've read and watched everything I can about ear posting. I. Do the backer rod method but Rose pops the bottoms out of her ears. Is this common? Is it ok to just pop them back in or should I repost when this happens? It's been a long time but if , I recall with my first Dobe I would just put them back in and her ears turned out nicely
The rods popping out is not that uncommon. I'd pop them back in, and certainly not automatically re-post just because of it – provided everything else looks okay.

Oji here popped his posts out regularly and it was a pain!! The thing that caused it with him is he would bend the posts by laying on them. At one point I was wrapping the stupid posts in 6 layers of duct tape + the white tape. STILL he bent the posts. We never got past it. Mercifully, his ears just happened to be done posting it turned out – this after he experienced irritation from the duct taped contacting the skin so I had to stop posting for a while. We happened to be good to go.

But in your case, please make sure the posts are pushed down nice and deep into the ears. This won't injure the ears. Push down on the posts and twist the posts back and forth, settling them down in there. (Make sure the base of the posts are such that they won't irritate the ears. Some folks taper them a bit. Some put a layer of gauze down there.)

Simultaneously, pull up on the ears. When you get the posts down in there and have the ears pulled up, that's when you apply the tape at the top of the ears, capturing it in this position. Then, apply the 2nd piece of tape at the skull level.
 

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I do all that. They usually pop out when she has a toy and shakes her head violently. Glad to hear popping them back in rather than reposting is a viable option. Thanks for the response
 

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I too have just popped them back in as long as everything else looks okay. Albert has always slept in the goofiest positions and in many cases it was on his ears making it much easier to pop a post out.
 

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For the benefit of others it was suggested that I share the content of my post from a New member thread (OP) of July 8, 2020.
Administrators: let me know if should I post this in a new thread or another thread?

"The only thing I can say about ear posting is that my boy, amazingly, was done with his ears already at 17 weeks of age.
I couldn't quite believe it!, but I trusted an experienced vet tech to do all the postings.
4-5 days with posts, then remove, clean and air out for as much as 2-3 days. Totally contrary to most of what I have read elsewhere.

Dr. Robert Hutchison at Northview Animal Clinic in OH also said how soon or how well ears stand is genetic.
Biomolecular and cellular structure properties of the cartilage.

I was really surprised when told it was good to leave the posts out for two to three days, as opposed to 15-30 minutes.
The tech (at the same mentioned clinic) said she had posted ears for many many years, and that the posts work like crutches. Meaning that going without crutches some of the time strengthens rather than weakens. "
 
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Administrators: let me know if should I post this in a new thread or another thread?
It's fine here since it's the same topic.

It's great your boys ears stood so nicely doing it that way but it could/would fail with many pups with thicker cartilages and different crops.
 

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LOL, that was mostly from the time I stuck my arm between him and Della when they were "busy"... Ouch... :D
There is absolutely no buildup if you use the liquid adhesive remover which I will cover with the removal part, but it does take a few swipes with a soaked cotton ball to remove it all. Over all it does come off easy though. :)
Here are his ears right after the last removal and as you can see there's no buildup left at all.
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Just wanted to say thanks for this awesome post! Our pups ears did great with this method. Only thing we changed is that we used a 3M medical porous tape, googone medical adhesive remover, and for a while we used a cone to prevent our pup from scratching his ears. We also double taped the backer rod for a little more rigidity. So far his ears look like this after only 2 months of posting. We also have him on a multi vitamin as well as vitamin C, and we let him eat a lot of food, which never seems to be enough. He’s 4 1/2 months old now and eats 7 cups of kibble a day, plus training snacks and veggies.
 

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Dr. Robert Hutchison at Northview Animal Clinic in OH also said how soon or how well ears stand is genetic.
Biomolecular and cellular structure properties of the cartilage.
I just now saw this.

I believe it's genetic. The question is, how do you know if your Dobe is genetically blessed in this area?

As for the posts being crutches: Well, I've heard of giving the muscles the opportunity to work, but was the vet tech referring to going post-free helping the cartilage get stronger? If so, then that doesn't make sense to me. The cartilage hardens, and whatever positions the ears spend the most time in leading up to that determines what position the ears assume. Am I wrong?

I remember sending a pic of Oji as a puppy to his breeder. He was out of posts and his ears were standing, but somewhat angled to the sides. We were out for a walk. The breeder warned that I should be prepared to accept the ears being like that unless I got them back up in posts.
 

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I believe it's genetic. The question is, how do you know if your Dobe is genetically blessed in this area?

As for the posts being crutches: Well, I've heard of giving the muscles the opportunity to work, but was the vet tech referring to going post-free helping the cartilage get stronger? If so, then that doesn't make sense to me. The cartilage hardens, and whatever positions the ears spend the most time in leading up to that determines what position the ears assume. Am I wrong?
Having had only this one Dobie and not doing the posting myself I am certainly not qualified to argue a point.
If you know several generations back then you might be able to tell a tendency.
Possibly circulation of blood, lymph and other fluids could play a role as well?
 

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Having had only this one Dobie and not doing the posting myself I am certainly not qualified to argue a point.
If you know several generations back then you might be able to tell a tendency.
Possibly circulation of blood, lymph and other fluids could play a role as well?
It's cool. I'm just putting questions out there for discussion. :) I'm always trying to learn in life.
 

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The question is, how do you know if your Dobe is genetically blessed in this area?
I will say that both Della and Phoebe had really good cartilage to stand sooner than later, while I can tell from photos that Ripley, who is Phoebe's littermate clearly had thicker cartilage and took a bit longer to post so I'm not sure if it's all in the genetics.
Boris, Albert and Atticus shared some of the same lines and had thick cartilage so it took way longer for their ears to stand.
Just wanted to say thanks for this awesome post! Our pups ears did great with this method. Only thing we changed is that we used a 3M medical porous tape, googone medical adhesive remover,
Thanks for the update! They're off to a good start but I'd definitely keep going since he's in active teething right now.
I didn't know that 3M had medical porous tape or that Googone had medical adhesive remover but I'll have to remember it.
 

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