Muscle!

This is funny to me, because my dog is heavier than I want right now, and when I sent a picture to his breeders (both conformation people) they both said he was at a great weight! I was looking at him from a sport perspective, thinking “dude, you’re getting chonky.” View attachment 159883
I never really understood the concept of “show weight”, especially when this is the second line of our standard: “compactly built, muscular and powerful, for great endurance and speed.” I’ve never had a judge comment on weight/condition so I just keep my dog as he is.

This is him now and I wouldn’t like him heavier than this. I’m showing in two weeks so we’ll see if I get any comments. 😂IMG_1861.webp
 
I never really understood the concept of “show weight”, especially when this is the second line of our standard: “compactly built, muscular and powerful, for great endurance and speed.” I’ve never had a judge comment on weight/condition so I just keep my dog as he is.

This is him now and I wouldn’t like him heavier than this. I’m showing in two weeks so we’ll see if I get any comments. 😂View attachment 159892
He’s handsome! I asked a long-time Doberman person about the “show weight” vs “sport weight” stuff once. She said a little surface fat will round out a dog and help the eye flow over each area and can help hide minor faults. I am not a conformation person at all. In the last three years in Dobermans I’ve become better at seeing a correct dog, but when I see a poorly bred dog with major faults I’m not yet good enough to say what exactly is “off.” I can just tell something isn’t quite right, sometimes I can tell if it’s the front or the back, but sometimes I’ll see a dog and be like “is that a bad rear?” and someone will say, actually the rear angulation is fine but the front is off so it makes the rear look funny too.

I think a well-conditioned dog having good muscle tone would do the same as a dog with “a little surface fat.” In my book, it’s way better.
 
He's stunning! Thank you for posting him here. I love his shoulders - so many are bred nowadays to be wide between the elbows, but to me that muscle on the OUTside of the elbows is spot on. Love him! He's matured beautifully - how old now?
 
He's stunning! Thank you for posting him here. I love his shoulders - so many are bred nowadays to be wide between the elbows, but to me that muscle on the OUTside of the elbows is spot on. Love him! He's matured beautifully - how old now?
Thank you so much!! He's 4 years old already, time flies.
I really like broad shoulders and prefer it to the really wide ones between the elbows too hahaha.
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Here you can see his figure better, a dober-bull :spit:
 
We had a girl with huge muscular thighs, friends called her thunderthighs. All of our dogs have been very muscular due to living in the wilderness. Our boy, 3.5 months. He's the first puppy under 6 months to be raised on our island. There is no flat ground here, so stepping outside is a full body workout. Weighs 42lbs and he eats 6 cups of PPP Sport 30/20 plus about one cup combined herring, beef liver, and raw beef heart (3000+ calories per day). I'm scared what he's going to look like at 6 months 😄
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It'll be fun to watch him grow up!
What we've learned so far is that living on this island provides optimum canine conditioning, great bone density and muscle development, the best that the individual dog's genetics allow. I've had professional handlers say they'd love to send dogs to our island. Being the first puppy started out here at 9 weeks, I am still shocked at his bulging muscle development. It's definitely going to be interesting to see how he develops. He does have a bit of Russian in his lineage, Sant Kreal, de Grande Vinko and Pride of Russia and I think he is tending towards that body type.
 
What that looks like (we're on a remote island, basically all the islands around here are mountain tops jutting out of the sea) Taking a walk on the beach here isn't quite relaxing... View attachment 161790it is a complicated endeavor that takes a lot of balance, coordination, focus and concentration. It's rough, but an amazing life though.
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That looks like an amazing place to live. But not for the weak!
 
He looks as if he's going to be a sizable Doberman. Since the terrain is rough there won't be a way for him to "take it easy" in his exercise, but I'd personally try to keep him as light as possible while he's growing, especially his first year, if not his first two years. None of his major joints are closed yet and it's preferable to slow down joint growth which is easiest by keeping the puppy slim. I know you didn't ask, so I'm sorry if you are already aware, just trying to be helpful. 🙂 His muscular system will not be hindered.

 
He looks as if he's going to be a sizable Doberman. Since the terrain is rough there won't be a way for him to "take it easy" in his exercise, but I'd personally try to keep him as light as possible while he's growing, especially his first year, if not his first two years. None of his major joints are closed yet and it's preferable to slow down joint growth which is easiest by keeping the puppy slim. I know you didn't ask, so I'm sorry if you are already aware, just trying to be helpful. 🙂 His muscular system will not be hindered.

So true. And it wasn't my intention to highjack your thread. Unfortunately, I have no idea where to draw the line. He doesn't carry any fat, none of our dogs ever have. It's difficult to keep weight on as they burn too many calories/energy. Their weight is in bone and muscle. What do you do when you burn 1000 calories to walk 100 yards? We had one dog that required 8k-10k calories per day depending on activity of the day. I'm currently slowing this high drive/high energy pup down to "take it easy" with tracking, even so, it's still quite a physical workout 🙃 we also do a little indoor nose work. I'm open to suggestions 😊
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I think your guy looks fine, it was mainly just a heads up about the burning calories means he's being very physical and at his point in growth and developing and growing bone it can be a problem. The best development for bone growth is slow growth, the more they burn energy the more you have to feed the more calories to share to the growth and sometimes this can lead to too-fast growth. So better to be too slim while working than keeping him with enough calories to "over-feed" the developing bones. Hope that makes sense. I'm not at all against lots of free movement and exercise. I did hikes with my puppy, we went all over the place and she jumped and crashed and all those things. Made me a nervous wreck but she did fine. I love that you are doing tracking and nose work - mine does AKC scent work and I think it's terrific for exhausting them - not that it tires them, just seems they have a better mind the rest of the day!. We worked on tracking but did't keep it up. She's IGP working lines, American/German on bottom and those Sant Kreal lines on top -

I always love conversational threads, you aren't hijacking at all - excuses for more photos: here's my girl between 4 - 6 months, tucked up but ribs covered.

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