Bullmastiffs

[jazzies mum]

I agree that Bruce seemed a little unsure and inclined to reverse into his person for reassurance.
Jazz loves people as a rule, but twice during our recent holiday people suddenly appeared too close to our camp and her reaction was just as loud and assertive. She also put herself between me and the incomers but when she had a tether she moved out to the limit of it facing them. When she was off leash she ran towards them roaring but immediately returned to me when I called her.

Now if it came to actually needing to bite I would put my money more on Bruce Wayne than Jazz.

 

[MyBuddy]

I watched the video and with no knowledge of any kind of protection training, I'm not so sure he passed.

First off it seemed like his tail was wagging a mile a minute. I'm not sure what that means. But I'm also not sure it should be wagging! LOL and also this thing about being in front of his wife, sometimes I think it's just a little bit of fear, actually. If she backed up, so did he.. if she went forward so did he. I don't know if it was so much he was trying to stay between her and the Intruder. I think that when she moved forward, he got braver to move forward too. If she backed up, so did he. I'm not sure how an actual trained protection dog would act any different. But I think for a normal, not trained, dog, this is a usual scenario. They're going to react. They're going to put it on pretty good scene like that. One, because they are taken by surprise so they are reacting. The other, it's not someone they recognize so they are reacting in the only way they know when they're taken by surprise. I actually think Buddy would react the same way. If he were sitting on the couch with me ....okay, he would never be on the couch but if he was sitting next to me by the couch lol and someone appears in the window, he would go nuts I'm sure. Kali would too... except her tail would be wagging a mile a minute too! LOL

Granted, this is a large imposing dog! No matter if he's afraid or not, he's going to scare the hell out of any intruder.


I also would not let that dog on my couch lol

I'd like to hear from @Doberman Gang on this ?

 

[Lizbeli]

He is gorgeous. But yeah, he was definitely nervous, or maybe just unsure. If he isn’t trained I wouldn’t really expect him to bite. But a fearful dog can be dangerous too. Can we really assume whether or not he would bite? Yeah he might not bite out of pure protection and courage, but he could out of fear right?

Eh, either way his noise would make his presence known. Anyone would be an idiot to even try going in with a large dog like that. So im not sure whether he would attack would even matter at that point haha! Big dog making noise? F that im out!

 

[Oh Little Oji]

He is gorgeous. But yeah, he was definitely nervous, or maybe just unsure. If he isn’t trained I wouldn’t really expect him to bite. But a fearful dog can be dangerous too. Can we really assume whether or not he would bite? Yeah he might not bite out of pure protection and courage, but he could out of fear right?

Eh, either way his noise would make his presence known. Anyone would be an idiot to even try going in with a large dog like that. So im not sure whether he would attack would even matter at that point haha! Big dog making noise? F that im out!

And the vast majority of people would be out too. There's always the possibility of someone who's crazed or desperate enough to give it a try anyway. Then there are those who know dogs and know that the dog will in all likelihood back down or give in to sweet talk.

I know that I've never seen Oji move backward when he was lighting up on a man outside our front door windows.

Granted, you may say this was a scenario with which Oji was familiar, perhaps unlike the test that that Corso was presented; however, I've never once seen Oji move backward or have his intensity waiver in an in-home defensive display against an outside the house stranger.

 

[Lizbeli]

Oji doesn’t look fearful to me. But you could be right, maybe he is just familiar with this. Who knows what would happen if someone actually walked in. Oji definitely doesn’t like people outside his house though!

 

[Oh Little Oji]

Oji doesn’t look fearful to me. But you could be right, maybe he is just familiar with this. Who knows what would happen if someone actually walked in. Oji definitely doesn’t like people outside his house though!

No, I don't think he's fearful.

If someone actually just opened the door in that scenario, I don't think Oji would automatically bite; but maybe he would. He comes from working lines (IPO) and you can see it in his actions. Just like my last one – it's uncanny. What follows going off on the bad guy with barking and jumping and lunging is a bite, so I could see him going ahead with a bite if the guy just opened the door.

If he didn't bite, he would at least handle the situation on his terms. He'd have his paws up on the guy's chest/shoulders and be the one in charge. If the guy pushed him off, Oji would react aggressively.

 

[Doberman Gang]

I watched the video and with no knowledge of any kind of protection training, I'm not so sure he passed.

First off it seemed like his tail was wagging a mile a minute. I'm not sure what that means. But I'm also not sure it should be wagging! LOL and also this thing about being in front of his wife, sometimes I think it's just a little bit of fear, actually. If she backed up, so did he.. if she went forward so did he. I don't know if it was so much he was trying to stay between her and the Intruder. I think that when she moved forward, he got braver to move forward too. If she backed up, so did he. I'm not sure how an actual trained protection dog would act any different. But I think for a normal, not trained, dog, this is a usual scenario. They're going to react. They're going to put it on pretty good scene like that. One, because they are taken by surprise so they are reacting. The other, it's not someone they recognize so they are reacting in the only way they know when they're taken by surprise. I actually think Buddy would react the same way. If he were sitting on the couch with me ....okay, he would never be on the couch but if he was sitting next to me by the couch lol and someone appears in the window, he would go nuts I'm sure. Kali would too... except her tail would be wagging a mile a minute too! LOL

Granted, this is a large imposing dog! No matter if he's afraid or not, he's going to scare the hell out of any intruder.


I also would not let that dog on my couch lol

I'd like to hear from @Doberman Gang on this ?

The dog in the video is a cream puff. Good looking dog but not a protection dog. Not to say it’s look and bark wouldn’t be enough to scare away a possibly intruder. The entire video is poorly staged. The wife standing behind the dog in plan sight and trying to encourage the dog is not happening in a real life situation. She would be running out of the room to get away and call the police or possibly get a bat or some other weapon. More than likely she runs off so does the dog following her out of the room. If some one comes up to a window in my house, my dogs will hit the glass and be baiting teeth biting at the window. This will not stop until the person is gone and I call them off. They won’t be backing away or looking for reassurance. In training we will sometimes use a fence or barrier to build confidence in a young dog. Take the barrier or fence away and the dog will no longer hold its ground. Same with a window or a door. If they really want to see what there dog will do, have the wife run frightened out of the room and let the intruder enter the house and threaten the dog.

 

[MyBuddy]

More than likely she runs off so does the dog following her out of the room.

That's what I thought too. Him looking back at her was not to protect her but more of, Are you still there with me??? LOL

Now, just like our Dobermans, his look alone may still keep bad guys (and some good guys ) away.

 

[MyBuddy]

I know that I've never seen Oji move backward when he was lighting up on a man outside our front door windows.

Does he do that with everyone that comes to the door?

He actually did much better than the Cane Corso! IMHO. Not backing down, not looking for reassurance from you, just attack! And not even destroying your windows or drapes! Now there's a good dog!

 

[Oh Little Oji]

And now... ...in contrast the the previous video of the gorgeous Cane Corso, here's this: I don't know what Ruff House Cane Corso is – maybe they breed?

In this video they show the guy from an outfit called Real Deal dog training, and they show a staged home invasion. This Cane Corso (which strays in appearance quite a bit from the norm – looks like mixed with Neopolitan Mastiff maybe) takes care of business.

There's a lot of stylin' an profilin' in the video, but there's some really solid stuff, so hang with it. Might say there's a lot of sizzle, but also a lot of steak.

At the 1 minute point, and the 2:30 point start some important parts.

Note that the dog trainer makes it clear they've been training and working with this Corso to use his individual genetic gifts (which he acknowledges are rare) and bring them out. This Corso appears to be a great family dog, letting the kids rough house with him – even biting the dog, reportedly.

 

[Oh Little Oji]

Look at the difference in the tails of these Corsi. This is one MUST for me if I ever get one of these dogs. I do not want that long old docked tail! Actually, that one doesn't look as bad as some, in that some seem thicker and just hang off the back of the dog like some sort of flaccid, um, bratwurst. It's very unpleasing.

The nice short, neat docks on the two dogs in the foreground, on the other hand, are great!

Image credit: Senza Tempo Cane Corso

 

[Lizbeli]

Interesting! I actually prefer the old style dock. These dogs have bit butts and the short docks look strange to me. Definitely personal preference.

 

[Oh Little Oji]

Interesting! I actually prefer the old style dock. These dogs have bit butts and the short docks look strange to me. Definitely personal preference.

So, the long dock is old style? I hadn't gleaned that yet.

I prefer everything old style with the Corso – the "rustic" type, but I definitely don't like a long dock. I could be okay with a dock that's a bit longer than those two short ones in the pic (and I do see it pretty often), but not much longer – definitely not like 4 inches or longer.

I admit here that it is indeed my personal preference. I don't know what is the standard. It's weird that I see it vary so much!

I was thinking about this with Boerboels. With that breed as well, I very much dislike a dock that's too long, and I often see it. So I was thinking I'd rather have an intact, full tail than a dock that's too long. I do realize, though, that this is like someone coming into the breed Doberman Pinscher and wanting things their way rather than the standard.

 

[Oh Little Oji]

I still entertain myself by thinking and looking up info. on the web about dog breeds I'd consider for my next.

I'm surprised to say I have been revisiting the idea of an American Mastiff. This is a breed, you ask? Well, yes. Certainly not recognized by the AKC, but it is recognized by the Continental Kennel Club (I know, )

But this breed has been breeding true to type for sure for some years, and is a mix of two breeds: English Mastiff and Anatolian Mastiff. I am unclear because I know of the Anatolian Shepherd and I wonder if this is what is meant by Anatolian Mastiff. The Anatolian Shepherd, I believe, is quite the tenacious dog with protective qualities.

The American Mastiff, however, from what I can tell is quite the docile, gentle resigning dog – a dog, by the way, that is larger than a Great Dane.

The originator of the breed are the owners of Flying W Farms about 100 miles from here.

Their website is far unprecedented in that it has a very long extensive list of emails with pics from owners of their dogs. Unless all these are made up, which would take a ton of work to accomplish, this breed is very consistent in its appearance (actually quite handsome) and is child-loving and a joy to live with if you want a giant dog. That's a huge "if."

Almost all of the emails include the bodyweight of the dogs. Males are reported at 170 lbs. to over 200 lbs. I just read an account of a male that was supposedly 250 lbs. and died at 9 1/2 years of age.

That's the other thing: The emails that are in memoriam report lifespans of at least 8 years – some of 10 and I think I saw one of 12.

So, the major question is: Would I want a huge dog that I have to assume is not much of a watchdog/guard dog and would only deter a criminal if they actually saw its prodigious size and maybe if it was not wagging its tail?

Probably not, but if I did, I would likely get one that was brindle. The fawn ones look very handsome indeed, but I like a dark colored dog.

 

[Oh Little Oji]

An American Mastiff. This is one of my favorite pictures of one. LOOK at the compact catlike paws on this giant dog!

 

[JanS]

I am unclear because I know of the Anatolian Shepherd and I wonder if this is what is meant by Anatolian Mastiff. The Anatolian Shepherd, I believe, is quite the tenacious dog with protective qualities.

I have a feeling someone mistakenly said Anatolian Mastiff because of the Anatolian's size, even though it's in no way a Mastiff. I have a friend who breeds Anatolians and they are very capable of keeping large predators away from her herds of sheep and different farm animals.


That's @GennyB with Drake next to the Anatolian.

 

[Lizbeli]

We are definitely researching a lot of the same breeds, lol... I agree on the brindle coloring on these. But part of me feels like they would also attract more strangers wanting to pet than other breeds in this thread. They remind me too much of the normal English Mastiff. They just seem more athletic and have a tighter face if you know what I mean.

So hard to pick the next dog breed imo. I want to own a few different types. Ill probably end up with another euro dobie to be honest haha. Jasper isn’t huge, but he’s only just over a year old. Im hoping he gets a tad bit taller.

 

[Oh Little Oji]

We are definitely researching a lot of the same breeds, lol... I agree on the brindle coloring on these. But part of me feels like they would also attract more strangers wanting to pet than other breeds in this thread. They remind me too much of the normal English Mastiff. They just seem more athletic and have a tighter face if you know what I mean.

I'd like to see a battle crop on an American Mastiff. I wish our Photoshop wasn't on our old computer.

 

[GennyB]

I have a friend who breeds Anatolians

Her dogs are beasts! I remember she kept her dog out in the car til it was time to go in the ring. Then they would clear a path for her to bring the dog in.

That's @GennyB with Drake next to the Anatolian.

Obviously I wasn't finished stacking him. He looks awful there.

 

[Oh Little Oji]

We are definitely researching a lot of the same breeds, lol... I agree on the brindle coloring on these. But part of me feels like they would also attract more strangers wanting to pet than other breeds in this thread. They remind me too much of the normal English Mastiff. They just seem more athletic and have a tighter face if you know what I mean.

So hard to pick the next dog breed imo. I want to own a few different types. Ill probably end up with another euro dobie to be honest haha. Jasper isn’t huge, but he’s only just over a year old. Im hoping he gets a tad bit taller.

Yes, they do appear more athletically built and they supposedly have a drier mouth. I don't know if I mentioned the drier mouth part. This was one of the main reasons for creating the breed – that, and fewer health problems. Of course I'm skeptical of the drier mouth claim, but several of the testimonials attests to it, and it makes sense that in being a lot less jowly than the English Mastiff they will be less drooly.

I haven't seen any pictures on their website (testimonials) with drool. There is one picture form an EM meetup in Illinois that the breeder apparently annotated with the comment indicating the temperature was in the mid 90s and the dogs were excited by being around the strange other dogs and NO DROOL!!

On the height thing: How tall is Jasper? Historically, I have not cared too much about a couple inches in height, but lately I do. Don't get me wrong, I've seen many dogs that are too tall and I don't find any value in it, and I think it makes them structurally less sound. I've been appreciating height lately (along with good proportions) just for impressiveness and some physical advantages and lasts but not least, getting less wet on the underside after walks in wet weather! I know that may sound odd, but my 28" Dobes rarely need wiping on the chest and belly after a walk in light rain; but dogs that are shorter but still medium sized dogs (often with longer coat) need a bunch of wiping down there. It matters to me.

Unfortunately, it seems that both Cane Corsos and Bullmastiffs will probably be up to a couple inches shorter than a Doberman.