Yes, you make sense. I guess what I think of as 'ruining a dog for a normal life' is one like last night. Where would you put a dog like that and who could take a dog like that, that was soooo freaking aggressive to other dogs (not to people, the people handled him just fine) that he tore through the wall?! When they picked him up and put him in their trucks, you know how those trucks are built...like a enclosure with a steel gate and then another full door over that? Well, when they opened it, he had actually broken or bent some of the steel gate!! Later when they put him in an enclosure they found him blooded from tearing a hole in the plastic walls to get to another dog next door. No one would be able to keep this dog without living somewhere where there are NO other dogs, ever. It wouldn't be safe. That's what I mean by that. I'm sitting here crying about it now because it is just so damn sad that PEOPLE would create something like this! It may be breed into them but PEOPLE make it worse. Your dogs may have come from this, like you said, but look at them! They are living a NORMAL life. With other dogs!! This poor dog last night was CREATED. He would kill himself just to get to another dog. You should have seen him, all bloody and hurt and not caring. Sorry, I get it, Tye, I do..I just can't stop crying about it....It's just a cruel cruel thing, dog fighting...and it's PEOPLE doing it. It's like brainwashing. I gotta get a tissue and I can't talk about it anymore......