Oh trust me I have dogs with drive. Zeke would pull your ass down the street with a prong on when I first started training him. Some dogs have to learn to respect you in a harder way than others. This is for there protection as much as yours. Zeke has a few of what we call here as "come to Jesus meetings" where as for Redman, you can put two fingers on his leash and just slightly jiggle it and he complies quickly. Prada is even different from those two she is also head strong but will come up the leash and bite you, so balancing obedience, reward and correction requires attention on both sides you and your dog. She is just over a year old and likes testing your limits. She also is the sweetest loving girl at home and will give you constant kisses. Can't wait to see her full potential.
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So interesting to hear of the variety of personalities. Do these your three Dobes have different ancestry?
Well maybe I will throw on the prong and try it with little Oji. So far he seems to just about as drivey as my last boy.
My last boy was kind of a machine. Not all that great a pet, though he and I got along fine. His sire was an 11 time Schutzhund III (at the time that I picked up my pup) and possibly going to become the national tracking champion. This was told to me in person by his owner/handler. He was still being campaigned at that point, so I don't know what all else he achieved before he died. One bragging point they told me about him was that he could re-bite in the air. That ability was passed on to my pup. I would see it when we would play.
So far our current pup seems to maybe be more loving and interested in being loved. Perhaps a more balanced breeding.
So Prada will actually go to bite you? Is it just under the influence of prey drive like what causes Oji to bite me when running on a heel? This I can't fault him for, but if he was biting me out of aggression toward me that would not be okay at all.
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Sometimes I wonder if that's how people are training. I watched a few youtube videos that encourage only allowing the dog to pull and feel the pressure and never "popping" them. That's great if it works on your dog but G. needs a "pop" every now and again to remind her who's the boss and that the collar is still on. It's just a quick yank, not enough to hurt but enough to make them not want another. Anymore she's pretty aware that can happen with the collar so it's rare that I need to "pop" her.
@Tad were you allowing the dog to correct itself or did you "pop" them when they pulled?
Very good question. I was not employing any sort of intelligent training when I tried the prong collar on him, and I knew it. I just wanted to see what would happen if I put it on and took him for a walk. Actually I should say he blew off the prong collar in about a minute or two at the most.
I'm just fascinated (not that I'm not frustrated) by these Dobermans' drive to PULL!! Its why I let my first Dobe pull me on my Harley once. It's like, allright, dummy, you want to pull so bad? Then GO AHEAD!