Thinking about adding a second Dobie

lunathetuna97

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Hi all!

Since this forum was so tremendously helpful with my previous question, I thought I'd consult the experts on my next one:

What was your experience getting another Dobie (if you have more than one)? Do you recommend it?

I currently own a female, three year old, black and tan Dobie named Luna. She is the best girl and has made me fall even more in love with the breed. She might be so well-behaved in terms of how she fits into our lives that it has lulled us into a false sense of confidence though :p We have her schedule, exercise routine, quirks, and diet down to a science and she is trustworthy at home by herself (no crating needed, though she is absolutely crate-trained and sleeps in a big crate). I have a lot of family in the area that helps out when we are gone for more than 4-5 hours or go out of town too.

Some background: My fiancé and I are a young, dual-income, no-child (though that could change in the next 2-3 years) household with no other pets. We live in a house that we own with a yard in a very walkable neighborhood. We are very active and have adapted to having an active working breed dog in our home. While we both work full-time, I work at home half days (some days) and the other days I go home midday on my lunch break for exercise or enrichment since I work so close to my home. Our current dog, Luna, adores playing with other dogs and I have 100% confidence she'd love another dog in the home (she would just need to learn how to play gently until the pup is big enough to hold his own!). I would definitely get a male, as I know two females in the same household can sometimes be problematic, and I already know of a few ethical, well-respected breeders in my state. We are not married to the idea of getting a puppy though and would also be open to the idea of rescuing a Dobie that needs a good home. Luna is fully insured as well and we plan on doing the same for any other pets we add to our family.

In my head, it does not seem like it would be that much of an adjustment, only because I would not necessarily be doing more of what I am already doing (aside from the financial aspect, of course), I would just be doing it with two dogs instead of one. However, I could be woefully ignorant of a lot of things that only become apparent after it's too late, so I thought I would see if anyone had any helpful feedback for me!
 
We have always been a 2 Doberman household and I love the dynamic that 2 of the same breed have together. Your girl is a perfect age to bring a pup in and they are normally very protective of the pup.

Of course they need separate training and one on one time but it sounds like that wouldn't be a problem for you.
 
ooh exciting times!

It's a LOT at first (my Dobe was almost 2.5 years old when we brought our Lab home as an 8 week old), especially if you go the puppy route, but as with any change, a new normal routine will eventually be established.

It's been several years since we've been through the ringer so I'll let folks with more recent experience elaborate :)

High level, crate training the pup and having him in there when you're not home is a must, though. And intentional time for each dog is highly important. The puppy/new dog will take a lot of time, at least in the beginning. Doing some stuff with Luna one-on-one will certainly likely help her adjust. (we were typing at the same time @JanS )
 
The street/neighborhood clout you get is pretty awesome. I am known as the Doberman man who lives down the street. I think it’s one of the coolest things ever…but it comes with sacrifices.
- double the food, double the poop.
- having one Doberman in the house but having two can make things tight. Hell they both take up an entire couch.
- definitely take up entire back seat of truck
- prob the hardest thing is that you must take them out and do training individually. Very difficult to train the younger one on obedience when the other is there. They need to be with you on an individual basis so as to bond with you and not with the other Doberman. I did not understand this until it happened and I looked back at it and understood it afterwards.
- my first one did not like but tolerated sharing me with the other- call it jealousy? Prob so but he wanted all my time and did not like sharing me. There was no fighting but I could see it in his demeanor.

The cool things:
- you ever see two Dobermans play? Looks like two monsters mauling each other. They go at it hard.
- the instant street cred walking two Dobermans is badass.
- watching both of them have zoomies in the back yard is like watching two stallions run side by side. sounds like it too.
- the pride you develop in those two cannot be measured

I would love to have two again but damn it’s hard with a full time job. I am for if I have a Doberman…they must be obedience trained. I will not have a crackhead Doberman with no obedience manners. For me, that means everyday after work for prob 1 yr to establish a firm foundation. That’s just fricking hard working a full time job.

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Having two is wonderful. Just my opinion; if you own a girl, pairing her with a boy is your best option. I know many have 2 girls, but it seems there can be more conflict....in my experience, boys seems to always respect, and take a back seat to the girls. (As you can see in Elroy, @JanS boy!) :love:
 
The street/neighborhood clout you get is pretty awesome. I am known as the Doberman man who lives down the street. I think it’s one of the coolest things ever…but it comes with sacrifices.
- double the food, double the poop.
- having one Doberman in the house but having two can make things tight. Hell they both take up an entire couch.
- definitely take up entire back seat of truck
- prob the hardest thing is that you must take them out and do training individually. Very difficult to train the younger one on obedience when the other is there. They need to be with you on an individual basis so as to bond with you and not with the other Doberman. I did not understand this until it happened and I looked back at it and understood it afterwards.
- my first one did not like but tolerated sharing me with the other- call it jealousy? Prob so but he wanted all my time and did not like sharing me. There was no fighting but I could see it in his demeanor.

The cool things:
- you ever see two Dobermans play? Looks like two monsters mauling each other. They go at it hard.
- the instant street cred walking two Dobermans is badass.
- watching both of them have zoomies in the back yard is like watching two stallions run side by side. sounds like it too.
- the pride you develop in those two cannot be measured

I would love to have two again but damn it’s hard with a full time job. I am for if I have a Doberman…they must be obedience trained. I will not have a crackhead Doberman with no obedience manners. For me, that means everyday after work for prob 1 yr to establish a firm foundation. That’s just fricking hard working a full time job.

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Wow, yours are stunning!

The training comment was very enlightening for me because I had never thought about having to do it separately. However, it makes logical sense, especially since Luna has struggled with some reactivity that I would not want passed onto the second pup. I imagine I would go through the same group obedience class with this pup (separately) and then continue on with the socialization/obedience separately until he's out of that impressionable phase. That would definitely be a lot of work though, so thanks for pointing that out!

The point also about bonding with the new Dobie and ensuring they don't bond too closely with one another at first is also helpful - I mentioned below that Luna is obsessed with other dogs with they are in our home visiting or we are visiting, so I could see that potentially being something I'd need to watch out for.
 
ooh exciting times!

It's a LOT at first (my Dobe was almost 2.5 years old when we brought our Lab home as an 8 week old), especially if you go the puppy route, but as with any change, a new normal routine will eventually be established.

It's been several years since we've been through the ringer so I'll let folks with more recent experience elaborate :)

High level, crate training the pup and having him in there when you're not home is a must, though. And intentional time for each dog is highly important. The puppy/new dog will take a lot of time, at least in the beginning. Doing some stuff with Luna one-on-one will certainly likely help her adjust. (we were typing at the same time @JanS )
Yes I definitely worry about Luna not getting the attention she's used to! She's our baby right now and follows me quite literally everywhere. However, she's obsessed with other dogs (like my parent's dogs) but we do not have a friend with a dog that is big enough/energetic enough to be a good playmate with our girl aside from a friend's Boxer (watching them play is both exhausting and entertaining). When there are other dogs around (ones that she has been properly introduced to and likes), I quickly become second place on her totem pole. She grew up around my parent's chihuahuas, so she has a special soft spot for tiny dogs that bully her (she thinks that it means they're friends :wacky:). I think her delight at having another dog to romp around with would hopefully offset some of the attention being off of her, but who knows.
 
what i found out to be very interesting when you are contemplating an additional pup is that if your female is a good mannered well adjusted girl she will help you bring up the pup to be another wonderful addition.. i found that a pup will learn from the older one..the good.. the bad ... so i feel pretty confident that an additional puppy will be a welcome blessing in your household......since your girl is so well behaved.. she will think of the pup as her baby..just don't let her spoil it too much
 
- prob the hardest thing is that you must take them out and do training individually. Very difficult to train the younger one on obedience when the other is there. They need to be with you on an individual basis so as to bond with you and not with the other Doberman. I did not understand this until it happened and I looked back at it and understood it afterwards.

On my 4th pair of females currently and have never trained them separately.

Everything always happens together with both at the same time...

One needs to go the Vet? Both go. One needs to go potty? Both get taken out. Got training to do? Both at the same time...


What I have found is that even if they are the same exact age (littermates) they will never be exactly the same with respect to their personalities and any strengths / weaknesses.

The dog that is 'better' at certain things can help the other learn if they are being worked together.

Had one pair where one was an excellent jumper and her sister was not. Dog that was not as good at it would try harder (until she was successful) after seeing her sister make a particular jump. 'If she can do it - I can do it'...

Had one pair where one of the girls was shy for whatever reason about going through tight places (passing through an opening barely big enough to pass through) while her sister cared not one bit about doing so. The 'shy' girl quickly got over her apprehension of the tight spaces after seeing her sister do so with ease over and over again...

Current new girl does not like the air blower cleanings she gets when we get ready to head home after work. (peed her fur pants real good her first time getting cleaned like that) After the 3rd or 4th time seeing the older girl getting cleaned like that FIRST (and tolerating it without issue) she now lines up for her turn without issue. She learned from watching the other dog that it was not a big deal and nothing to worry about. Just part of the normal routine... In another week or two she will not mind that blower one bit. :)

New girl here got angry recently cause of some lady gaga music I cranked up. Nobody else had a problem with it but the new girl... We had to 'demonstrate' for her that it would not kill her and that she could survive past the experience. Once we got her over that we found other music that she did not like! Hu Wolf Totem bothered her way more than the lady gaga did but she eventually got over it.

(not suggesting any of that crap would be good or proper for your dogs)

Every command better have a dogs name attached to it around here or nobody is doing it! Most of the 'games' we play reinforce the individual dogs names before any command for good reason. If I say 'Dystopia Crate' only the one girl is supposed to be getting in her crate... I was not talking to Agatha or telling her to do anything...

In my experience, you want to work them together as often as possible so that you CAN work them together.

One of the best things I ever figured out was tethering pairs together until both were 'tested / proven' to whatever particular task.

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Notice the 4 lane street in front of the house here and the one girl sniffing around by the tree?

The sidewalk is the designated no-go line that neither is supposed to touch unless led by me directly. A hard line in their boundary for me that the one dog by the tree will forget about instantly if a squirrel runs past her and out into the street. I know that dog and how she is going to respond to that furry treat not being in her tummy. I also know how her sister does not give a crap about those sort of distractions and that if I call Dystopia to come - She is coming regardless of if her sister is trying to blow off boundary rules and go in the other direction... :)

New girl here is same exact way with most similar stuff (cats, squirrels, other dogs) and has got to be desensitized to that stuff at the same time she is learning her new property boundaries here.

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There is no way that if a squirrel runs past her right now heading for the street that her 56lb butt is going to be able to drag the +85lb anchor she is attached to. The additional benefit is that over time she is going to pick up on how the other dog just does not flip out the same way just because a cat happens to be out a few yards down. (yards that she is NOT supposed to be in) Might never completely desensitize her to the stuff depending on her prey drive but will definitely help her seeing a more acceptable response from other dogs around her.

She is going to quickly notice how the one stays within the particular boundaries and how that dog gets praised / rewarded for desired behavior and following commands and she will want to be doing the same so she can get the same praise / rewards. monkey see monkey do learning is for real and tends to happen fast.

There are sooo many things the newer girl can learn from being around the older one here and learn FASTER from having that example around to follow and learn from as often as possible...

Work them together and use the long lead until you know for sure you don't 'need' it.

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Praise is to be dispensed liberally when meat snacks run past dog and said dog gets them while STAYING well within any property boundaries.

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Have to be aware that you want a pup to bond and key off you- not your other Doberman. This is why individual training is important, they learn that you are the command center, the director of given action when it’s needed.
They bond with the other Doberman, then they key off them instead of looking to you for needed direction and guidance.
 
Have to be aware that you want a pup to bond and key off you- not your other Doberman. This is why individual training is important, they learn that you are the command center, the director of given action when it’s needed.
They bond with the other Doberman, then they key off them instead of looking to you for needed direction and guidance.

They are all going to bond with me because I lead this pack...

I am also the only one here that can operate the can opener and dispense the sardines... :)
 

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