You know,I was going to pop off with a smart ass comment when I read it,but then reconsidered.Didn't want to hear you roar
Do We Take Them to Court?
- Thread starter Sosthenes
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I have posted a notice and a warning to those on my FB page about buying pups and or breeding with Savannah's dogs because she is a Z Factor breeder and even advertises her self as such. Had I known she was involved with Z Factor I would have not purchased our pup, but I am happy with him and he is a very contented dog. While not naming her specifically, there is little to no doubt as to who the culprit breeder is. One of the gal friends I have has stopped all dealings with Savannah several months ago at about the same time I did. Anyway, I made the post on Friday and have not had any comments to come my way. Thanks to each of you for your advice and comments. 
DocReverto
Formerly CRD
Not positive but unless she has two different names for her breeding program this is a different lady than benchmark Dobermans.
Sosthenes I am glad you have realized the practices that she uses are not acceptable. Sounds like Cato has a good life now, and that's what matters. The more people that become educated about bybs, and puppy mills the better. I would rather someone learn the hard way then not learn at all. We can only hope that one day this is no longer an issue. I looks like "another board" has blasted her in the past, so hopefully she gets the message soon rather than later. On a side note, is she as young in person as she looks on her pictures?
The Savannah you speak of calls herself Savannah Poole. The Savannah I know is Savannah Lancaster. I saw two photos on Benchmark Dobermans where a Caucasian woman & a Negro man were working a sleeve with a Doberman. The Savannah I know could pass for her twin sister. Similar facial features and body types. Stocky build. I have only seen Savannah Lancaster when she was pregnant or looked pregnant. At that time she had one son living in with her and she was living with a man who went by the name of John. I don't think he is around anymore as she now devotes her time with women.
Well, they do look alike to me. My left eye is a little fuzzy, but my right eye can spot a gnat on the rump of a bucking mule @ 600 paces. Yes, bucking
DocReverto
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What make me think they are two different people are the stud dogs. Benchmark Dobermans advertise multiple dogs. The other savanna emphasizes on one stud dog.
Dobs4ever
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CRD I sent you a PM with a link - very interesting reading
As far as eliminateing the albino issue it won't happen - As long as people have such a minimum understanding of the importance of a Standard and adhering to it we will have major problems.
There ar always those who do not care - They just want something unusual - different, unique, there will be unscrupulous people who want to exploit that and make money. They have no understanding of how a standard protects the integrity of a gene pool or how it protects a breed. Look at the trouble Dobermans are in around the world - Because of lack of understanding of our standard in one way or another our dogs are at risk. Regardless they are wrong whether it is breeding albions or disrespecting the standard and trying to do away with cropping and docking. Both are wrong for the exact same reason. They put our Dobermans at risk, they diminish the gene pool and they down play our dogs.
As far as eliminateing the albino issue it won't happen - As long as people have such a minimum understanding of the importance of a Standard and adhering to it we will have major problems.
There ar always those who do not care - They just want something unusual - different, unique, there will be unscrupulous people who want to exploit that and make money. They have no understanding of how a standard protects the integrity of a gene pool or how it protects a breed. Look at the trouble Dobermans are in around the world - Because of lack of understanding of our standard in one way or another our dogs are at risk. Regardless they are wrong whether it is breeding albions or disrespecting the standard and trying to do away with cropping and docking. Both are wrong for the exact same reason. They put our Dobermans at risk, they diminish the gene pool and they down play our dogs.
DocReverto
Formerly CRD
The way she posts on that thread is the exact same lingo that's posted on the Facebook page. I was also not aware both are in Ohio. Seeing this just upsets me more. It shows that she knows what she is doing is wrong but continues to do it.
It is easy to fault the Doberman and much hard to fault ourselves. No ones really ever corrected the media. Hollywood makes billions of filth money exploiting both humans and animals. I saw a Hallmark Channel movie where an actor stated that Wolves do not howl, only coyotes howl. If they are truly that out of touch on wildlife, it is easy to see the damage they have done to our beloved breed and others. The Pit Bull certainly gets no fair shake and through no fault of their own. Again it goes back to the human being.
The God of Heaven charged us all with responsibility for all animals. As hard as we try, we still fail. Forgive us Lord.
Dobs4ever
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That is her biggest problem. She does not know truth. Funny her web site has a stud contract on the Doberman page but says both her males are neutered. She breed pti bulls but last time she was here said she did not do it right so she wanted to do Dobermans right - So how is breeding Z factored doing it right???
In response to her first time I wrote a post on "When you decided to breed or buy outside the box" I will see later if I can find the link.
She has burned her own bridges. She has no one to blame but herself.
She creates her own truth and seems to not understand why people might not see things her way. I have heard many testimonies on the stand, swear ti it's truth, then later say something entirely different and swear to it's truth. Her friend John(the man she lived with)told me that Savannah has difficulty in accepting criticism. She was raised in a family of JW's and as an adult found it to be a cult. Her perspectives of true and false have been altered because of her associations with JW's. When lies, that have been declared as truths are suddenly exposed for the lies they are, it is sometimes difficult for a person like Savannah to know the difference between lies and truths. To a natural liar the truth is always an ugly thing. It is easy to become untruthful and see your own truths to be different(more truthful) than others. In other words liars believe their own lies to be truth and they can't stop with lying. The governments of all nations are guilty of this. It is called politics. LBJ's War on Poverty based on lies so it is un winnable. Nancy Reagan's War on Drugs based on lies and so is un winnable. You can never win with lies. You only believe you can. Sooner or later the ugly truth comes out and you are found to be a liar. Her time is coming. I am reminded of 1 Peter 5: 8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: KJV
It appears that any and all mention of Z factors on Pets with Potential & Byers Dobermans have been removed. Instead of writing me as to why I have made a public plea on FB for folks to not purchase a pup or breed their dog with these BYB, they choose to remove all ads about their Z factor Dobes.
Rits
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Yep, my post along with Crow's was deleted off her page on the picture of her pup's ears being strung. I've also been banned from commenting any further on her page. I guess she's one of those people that likes to live in denial.
DocReverto
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She is trying to be sneaky, and deleting posts now too....
She forgot to take down the pics of Trixie. Dead give away. I hope she is not trying to pass that girl off as a fawn.
FYI: I have sent her a message asking her all the questions that you should ask a breeder. I'll let you know if I get a response.
DocReverto
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Looks like I'm banned too...
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