TrinityDobes
Novitiate
Yep, just because we are the Kinder, gentler, Forum does not mean we won't bite you in the azz when you need it - we will just do it with a smile on our faces
Yep, just because we are the Kinder, gentler, Forum does not mean we won't bite you in the azz when you need it - we will just do it with a smile on our faces
It goes on to state that there are bad trainers and bad people so dogs should not be trained for these things. OMG. How silly. See that is misleading new folks who probably now think that all protection is bad. What will they do if one of their dogs bites someone out of fear, but was not trained??? Do they think dogs don't bite unless trained for it???? Clearly shows a misunderstanding of the breed and even states that dogs can't be belligerant to another dog yet the standard states that dog aggression is not a fault. BUT, you do have to have your dog under control because if he attacks another dog you are out of there.
For example I was reading the other day where someone asked the question about should we have exclusions in our contracts for training: "The sport of Szh. was allowed but not guard dogs" WHAT??? For one thing I know that this person who asked has it in her contract not to allow it. So why was the question asked - because there is clearly a lack of understanding of temperament. It goes on to say that whether the dog can do the job or not does not matter - WHAT??? Temperament does not matter???? Who reads this stuff.
Since we have had several new arrivals to DC and there has been some serious discussions about this forum being a BYB forum I would like to address this from my personal experience since I was warned off this site in the beginning as being a White forum. I later found out that the person who kept feeding me stuff, an AKC judge btw should know better than to intentionally mislead folks.
First I would not be here if this was a white forum. What people seem to confuse is that in our world you should hate what is wrong but not hate the person. There is a big difference in speaking out against unethical practices and degenerating to name calling, mud slinging etc. You can't educate people if you drive them off. That does not mean you condone their actions. Sometimes they listen and were just acting in ignorance which in and of itself is not an offense.
The good breeders on this forum are against breeding any forum of white of Z factored and we are openly allowed to say so. What we can't do is call some one an moral degenerate for breeding dogs that have been disqualified by their own parent club. But don't think it will be welcomed here or mistake that for acceptance.
We will stand up for right and that AIN'T WHITE!!!
We do not condone ever breeding two dogs that are both under 2 years of age and only minimal health testing has been done. What would be the rush to breed two untested dogs???? I can't only think of a couple - money and stupidity. So if prior to breeding you find out it is frowned upon but proceed to do so anyway then it makes one question motives. How can someone care about the health of a breed if they don't care enough to wait til adulthood which is considered a minimum 2 for the Doberman???
There can be a few reasons to breed possibly one of a pair under two but both and to each other by a new breeder with little knowledge and understanding of long term concequences???? Has reason flown out the window???
We have also had a flood of people applying for club membership and that did not happen either. If you are not doing things correctly then you will find it hard to join UDC of DPCA. We want ethical folks who are concerned about doing things right. Can anyone make a mistake - yes but if they came here and got info that educated them and failed to follow it who is at fault???? The clubs for denying membership or the person who threw caution to the wind???
I fear I have a far different opinion of what ethics means. Character does not rush to judgment. Character means you want to do things by the book. I read the post and I can read and see the lack of knowledge. We want to help educate - we believe in giving folks a chance, but don't think that means it can be thrown back in our faces and then go crying about how someone was so maligned by the big bad wolf. Don't mistake civility for acceptance - they are two very different things.
What do Ethics and caring for this breed mean to you??? I certainly hope not anything goes and just because someone got fooled by the sneaking white breeders and bought Z factored does not give carta blanch to breed for any reason. You can never improve a breed ifyou are breeding something that has been disqualified.
Just wanted to add my input. Took me awhile, but I finally became a DPCA member this past fall. When I originally got into Dobermans, I didnt get the help I truly wanted or had asked for and I made several mistakes. I have since done what I could to correct those mistakes.
While at the "another board" forum, I was berated and verbally assaulted and accused of being a BYB wanna be. That was truly never my intention. I was also told that my dogs would never see the inside of a ring and that nothing would become of my dogs. I may have come off wrong in the beginning asking the wrong questions, but that was no excuse for how I was treated........ (rest of post deleted by trinitydobes
After I saw that website, I joined Doberman Chat because it seemed to open its arms to the people that felt chastised here.
I do think that DC is a bit less dramatic, but I don't like that they seem to be okay with sub par breeders. That is one reason I much prefer "another board". I want people that are actually taking a stand for the breed I love, even if it comes off as rude or critical.
I just don't think it is fair for less than stellar breeders to think it is okay to continue breeding dogs that are unproven, unhealth-tested, and not of correct conformation.