nc_dobemom
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Well I can't speak for everyone but the white owners/breeders I know wouldn't want to bother dealing with Ione Smith for $200. I would rather pull out all my teeth than accept money from her.
White dobermans
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Well I can't speak for everyone but the white owners/breeders I know wouldn't want to bother dealing with Ione Smith for $200. I would rather pull out all my teeth than accept money from her.
Pretty Paws
New Member
Silent I don't think if someone did show up with a white doberman bred from a line that was not a direct descendent of Sheba that it would prove anything.
Who would believe anyone who came forward with a white doberman who was not a direct descendent of Sheba at this point in time anyway? Every attempt would be made to discredit them by one side and to give them false credit by the other side. It has become too controversial and political.
Albinism, like all mutations, occur from random chance. If it randomly occurs in another line that wouldn't prove that it isn't albinism. That would only show that the albino mutation also occurred in their family lines as well.
I thought it was believed that the albino mutation may have occurred in Sheba due to excessive line breeding between her ancestors. That would have made sense as to how the recessive gene was present in both of her parents. I apologize for my mistake.
The fact that it hasn't occured in any dobe that is not a direct descendent of Sheba herself is circumstantial evidence in favor of the white doberman not being an albino. Note here that I am not sure if any white dobermans occurred in any breedings of Sheba's littermates either to each other or back to one of thier parents, which would be circumstantial evidence in favor of it being albinism. Either way the evidence is circumstantial.
I don't think discovering another possible albino mutation will prove or change anything.
Unbiased and sound research might. Why not try to fund research into discovering the answer as well as a viable test, other than the z-list, to know which dobes are truly carriers instead of offering a $200.00 reward for information that is useless?
Who would believe anyone who came forward with a white doberman who was not a direct descendent of Sheba at this point in time anyway? Every attempt would be made to discredit them by one side and to give them false credit by the other side. It has become too controversial and political.
Albinism, like all mutations, occur from random chance. If it randomly occurs in another line that wouldn't prove that it isn't albinism. That would only show that the albino mutation also occurred in their family lines as well.
I thought it was believed that the albino mutation may have occurred in Sheba due to excessive line breeding between her ancestors. That would have made sense as to how the recessive gene was present in both of her parents. I apologize for my mistake.
The fact that it hasn't occured in any dobe that is not a direct descendent of Sheba herself is circumstantial evidence in favor of the white doberman not being an albino. Note here that I am not sure if any white dobermans occurred in any breedings of Sheba's littermates either to each other or back to one of thier parents, which would be circumstantial evidence in favor of it being albinism. Either way the evidence is circumstantial.
I don't think discovering another possible albino mutation will prove or change anything.
Unbiased and sound research might. Why not try to fund research into discovering the answer as well as a viable test, other than the z-list, to know which dobes are truly carriers instead of offering a $200.00 reward for information that is useless?
Thanks for the explanation Pretty Paws!! My opinion for what it's worth(not much)is that the sun sensitivity in their skin and eyesight manifested in so many of them sure indicates albinism even if it's not possible to prove genetically.I emailed my rescue lady who's rescued over 3000 dobes,200 of them whites and her opinion was that the skin and eye problems are albino caused but that many of the other problems were more from the original inbreeding of Sheba to her offspring resulting in a very small genepool.I was surprised that she's experienced temperment problems with them as the most common problem.
Her pedigree was posted earlier http://www.100megsfree4.com:80/dobermann/padulasqueenshebah.htm
My theory is that black/rust was the predominant color that a Dobie was supposed to be...but due to breeding of other breeds into the line, other colors were introduced...I believe the "white square" on the chest became accepted due to Labs being used in the mix...but even then, I don't think that should be acceptable in a good Labrador...
I believe that due to line breeding, colors became "diluted"...and I, personally, do not think that is a good thing...to me, the ideal Doberman should be Black and Rust...
But, that is just my opinion...I am sure others see it quite differently...and now I am gonna go lay down in bed with my wonderfilled Dobie, and sleep and dream about running in fields with him...hopefully covered in clover...he is my bestest friend now, and I adore him...I hope he knows that..
I believe that due to line breeding, colors became "diluted"...and I, personally, do not think that is a good thing...to me, the ideal Doberman should be Black and Rust...
But, that is just my opinion...I am sure others see it quite differently...and now I am gonna go lay down in bed with my wonderfilled Dobie, and sleep and dream about running in fields with him...hopefully covered in clover...he is my bestest friend now, and I adore him...I hope he knows that..
diekrazy
Well-Known Member
I'm all for that. I'm sure there has to be a way to get money together to get some new research done.
