White dobermans

Alright, I have tried to stay out of this post and just let you all have at it, but MLR is right enough is enough.... None of us here know enough to judge one way or another...

I have seen thousands of post that are pro white, and thousands of post that are against it.

We all know that my male and female are Z factored, they are also 100% healthy... That said they are both very young, and will both be tested for any problems in the near future.

Fot those of you who are saying that they have never seen a quality Z factored dog.... HOW WOULD YOU KNOW??? Do you go around asking everyone you meet for there registration number??? I doubt it... Get a grip, having the Z in the registration does not make these dogs mutants...

I wish there were a test for the albino trait, I truely do!!! But there isnt... You know all of you come here bashing these dogs, but how many of you know ANY Z factored dogs first hand... Very few of you Im sure...I have the pleasure of knowing two... They are amazing dogs that I wouldnt give up for anything. And I dont mean just as pets either. Someone on this site commented on how poor quality pets my dogs were and attacked every thing about them, I felt so sorry for that person. Im am by no means a vindictive person, but I had to know how high quality there dogs were... turns out they werent!!!
Just goes to show you that people arent always what they seem....

Even though you cannot see past the Z many can.

I have looked into people pedigrees AS THEY DID mine, and found out that they too have problem dogs, but they breed on purpose (at least mine was an accident) and you can say whatever you want about genetics and how your dogs live long and healthy lives but come on, how healthy can they be if they are affected from birth...You shouldnt be breeding them at ALL, as I and others with Z dogs shouldnt be!!!

I am by no means innocent here... but I dont pretend to be either.

We all know.... stay away from the Z factor.... give it a rest... Find something better to type about... We are learning nothing here... All we see is hatred! New comers see this and think this forum is like every other... We started out cival and that was great, then people had to make personal attacks... I no longer think this thread is proactive, and I know others will agree... This is just going back and forth...

Many of us here are very dedicated to this breed that is ovious, but what good are we really doing when we act like children. NONE! There is no need to go on and on about this topic... It is sad that we can not act like adults and have a normal conversation...
I for one am tierd of the whole thing...

But for people to come on here and say that no Z factored dog is off decent quality is a crock. You have NO idea!! None at all...

I for one would love to start a thread of people with Z factored and white dobes so that they can speak out about any medical or health concerns they may have... maybe this way we can learn about them rather then argue about it...

Mods feel free to edit!
 
One more thing.... We will be starting agility soon and regardless if Romeo is Z factored or not, we will compete like every other dobie, and we will go for any titles we can put our paws on!!! Because I am dedicated and I know he has it in him... Despite what anyone says he is a doberman and a damm good one... You may not see as many Z factored dobes with titles now but you will soon, and you can QUOTE me on that!
 
deladobies said:
I for one would love to start a thread of people with Z factored and white dobes so that they can speak out about any medical or health concerns they may have... maybe this way we can learn about them rather then argue about it...

Mods feel free to edit!
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They already proclaim they don't have any health issues, but I would like to know how many would step up and share.
 
Some of these threads have gotten angry. My concern is that when some posters start tossing dirt at each other, without realizing it they are also tossing dirt at others who own the same or similar bloodlines. Sometimes comments become broader than the commentor intended.
 
I hope I didn't offend anyone.My only concern is with posts that insist there's no health or temperment problems with albinos.My worry is that a novice would read that on this informative doberman site,then purchase one from a breeder who's marketing them as a rare novelty on the basis of reading that post.I don't think those breeders should be rewarded!!
To be sure of my facts I emailed my rescue lady who was kind enough to reply,she's had 200 albinos and I posted her opinions earlier on this thread.I believe the only intentional breeding should be to improve the health,longevity,intelligence and personality.So I personally don't agree with breeding for whites intentionally.But I think in life s**t happens and few breeders are prioritizing for much more than just looks or $$.
I've always had imperfect dobes,our last,Icy,only had one eye and her tail hack job left the tip bare.I'm sure many pretentious breeders would have laughed at her and then shortly after,one of us would have been headed to the emergency rm! I wouldn't ever critisize any dog owner except for neglect,whether the dog is white,Z,or purple in my experience looks has nothing to do with the capacity to be a great companion which afterall,isn't that what all dogs and especially dobes,are for? I may even have owned a Z dobe,I've never had any lineage info available on my rescues.
Again if I came off as insulting it surely was not my intention and I apologise!! I really think everyone here is a great caring owner!
 
So do I DoberDon. Didn't I read somewhere in her that you used to play in a band? What kind of music did you play? What instrument did you play. Do you sing?? Funny you should mention former lives like that. The guy who used to be my carpenter also use to open for Bob Seger back in the day.
 
Okay I wasn't going to reply again but I can't help it lol

I have Padula's Queen Shebah's pedigree (I am trying to find it in my email inbox because it was emailed to me and I don't have the file on this pc) but Shebah's sire I believe it is goes back to several generations. Why is it that only dogs AFTER Sheba was born and HER parents were listed on the Z-List? Why weren't ALL dogs in her pedigree listed since technically all those dogs could carry the Z gene. That would have meant listing some champions but it would have been only fair. And the theory that Sheba was the first white IMO is completely ludicrous. If her parents both carried the white gene and had been bred before its almost a no brainer that there were white BEFORE Sheba.

IMO EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion on this as I've said before. I totally respect AND understand where those that are against the color are coming from. That's your choice but I choose to support and love these dogs as what they are. Dobermans of a different color.
 
I think Sheba was the first known albino,I think but am not 100%certain that her albinism was a genetic mutation.So I'm not sure whether her parents had the albino gene or not? That's a really good fascinating question!! I also think that alot of the problems with whites are because Sheba was then inbred with her own son multiple times.I'm not against whites at all,I know of many owners that love their great dog! I just think breeding should be to try and improve health,longevity,intelligence and personality and my opinion is that most people breeding intentionaly for whites don't consider that but are motivated by profit or are misinformed.I wouldn't hesitate to adopt a white,just wouldn't buy one from anyone breeding for them.
 
Hi Mary Lou; I traveled in a top40 dance band for 4 yrs in the early 80's.We played Segar,ZZTop,Huey Lewis,Santana,Pat Benetar,and some(shudder)disco/funk dance.We were on a circuit playing 6nites a week at Hilton,Sheraton,Holiday Inn,etc that had night clubs,I got to see 23 states and parts of our country I'd never see otherwise!.It wasn't the music I'd have prefered to play but it paid much better than rock bars and we always got free clean decent rooms.I played bass,I also play guitar and have some really nice old Gibsons,but guitar players always were plentiful and I worked in a much better group by playing bass.I also now have a baby grand but it's mostly for decoration.I sang a couple songs a set mainly to give our singer a break,most people can't continuously sing 4-5 hrs a nite without burning their voice out.What was the name of your carpenters band?
 
The majority of 'american line' Dobermans in the states trace back to the 7 sires...who were euro...
all humans are related if you go back far enough...
I can't speak for the DPCA but my guess is that just as DoberDon stated above, mutations do not affect anyone/thing before the mutation occured.
 
I don't think Sheba's parents had the albino gene,again I don't claim to be an expert,think of it like this.When human siamese twins are born,it's a genetic mutation,they don't have ancestors that were siamese twins.But then their altered genes are passed down to their offspring.Your question really got me thinking and I realised that when people get too proud of their prestigous dobe with it's great pedigree and want to look down on my rescue dobe,they should remember that the first albino that started all this was a registered dobe with an impressive pedigree!!
 
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