Oleg and Lana Pilipovski at www.eurodoby.com

[Dobs4ever]

I am not sure it applies to this specific situation but is a big issue for good breeders -
People who want FULL registration just to breed would never get a dog and would never get a dog to breed to their own female.

So rather than commit to the breed and try to learn and do it right people will go to a breeder like this because they will sell them a dog with breeding right and charge them out the wazoo because they know the person does not care either about the standard, titling, showing, training or anything else - they just want to start breeding. The standard is unimportant to them, the importance of titling and testing your dog in venues is unimportant. They just want their way and to heck with the standard or quality.

These people are perfectly suited for each other in that case.

 

[Tina]

I do think my dog is good quality, and I have done alot of research on what euro lines I like. I told her I wanted to show and I wanted a high drive puppy for schutzhund. I volunteered alot of info, but she never asked me much about anything.

I wanted a male doberman because I like male dogs, not just for breeding.

I also contacted Perlanera kennels in Europe (where Lana says Famous Fidel Di Perlanera lives) and they said Fidel was bred without their consent and they do not own him. They also said he has never been tested for VWD. So maybe both parents are carriers? I hope someone else didn't get an affected puppy. Now I know why Lana said Im lucky she didnt send me an affected puppy.

Around every corner is another lie.

 

[Dobs4ever]

. I told her I wanted to show and I wanted a high drive puppy for schutzhund. I volunteered alot of info, but she never asked me much about anything.

May I ask why you did not mention this in the beginning of this thread??? It seems the story just keeps growing on both sides.

Do you have your reg papers on him??? If he was bred without consent then you might have a bigger problem than Vwd which in and of itself I don't see as a real big problem with the exception you say you paid extra for clear. I did notice that vwd is not mentioned on her web site along with other test.

 

[Tina]

I just got an email back from Istvan Rada at Perlanera kennels this morning.

I do have AKC registration on him.

On her website, both Arabella an Fidel were listed as clear until I complained. She immediatly took it off of Arabellas description. Famous Fidel Di Perlanera still says VWD clear on her website.

 

[Dobs4ever]

He could be clear but doubtful since she said you were lucky not to get affected. That alone would show an intention lie. So how are they claiming an unapproved breeding took place?? Why did they sign off on the papers if they did not approve the breeding??? The bitch goes to the stud in most cases unless a stud is send over here for a period of time.

Guys it is not what we THNIK about our dogs and their quality - it is about what you have done to show you would even have half a clue what is good. How would you know how to judge breed worthy?? Just wondering???

 

[kaloric]

I just got an email back from Istvan Rada at Perlanera kennels this morning.

I do have AKC registration on him.

On her website, both Arabella an Fidel were listed as clear until I complained. She immediatly took it off of Arabellas description. Famous Fidel Di Perlanera still says VWD clear on her website.

That might also explain why she's dumping Arabella on Puppyfinder, as you mentioned. Maybe she screwed-up royally and thought her animals were clear, but they weren't. A lot of things sound like they don't add-up, but that's no excuse for being rude and not having any business integrity when it comes to backing-up the things she said when she sold the puppies.

 

[Max Hawk]

Hmm ok I understand what's going on better now lol! Well when life hands ya lemons! He's a great looking pup and at least they did a good job on his ears! So it could be a lot worse! Thanks for the pics and I hope you'll just love him to pieces and lesson learned! Once again I do feel for ya. I always have gone and seen my pups and picked them myself from the litter. I like observing first hand for myself and it's the way I prefer! The very first doberman I had was a bad experience and I don't know if it was the breeders fault but my daughter bought him and I ended up with him when she could no longer keep him! He was a great intelligent wonderful guy but died at 3 1/2 of an auto-immune disease! I checked later and found out that almost every puppy in that litter had something wrong with it! Even the male that she said she planned to keep for breeding ended up sterile!! Anyway needless to say when he died I sure didn't go looking for a pup from her and went else where big time!

 

[Tina]

The more I dig, the more lies I find. That is why I am trying to warn people.

I don't think there is any excuse for the lies.

I have all of the emails and paper work saying that I was buying a VWD clear by parentage doberman puppy. So I am not making this up. I have emails for everthing I discussed with Lana. She has been very rude to me and I am not lying about anything. If anyone wants copies let me know.

If Lana didn't lie to me and just told me that I might get a carrier, instead of saying he was clear by parentage, then we wouldn't be in this situation.

That said, I do love my puppy very much and he does have a good temperment so far. He has a nice ear crop, and seems healthy. Angus is a very good looking puppy also and I know Tammy is happy with him.

In Lanas ad on puppy find.com it states the Famous Fidel Di Perlanera lives at Perlanera kennels. He does not. Perlanera kennels told me that they are just hearing about this breeding and the owner did not have their permission to breed him. I am not sure if that means he was sold without breeding rights or what???

 

[Max Hawk]

That might also explain why she's dumping Arabella on Puppyfinder, as you mentioned. Maybe she screwed-up royally and thought her animals were clear, but they weren't. A lot of things sound like they don't add-up, but that's no excuse for being rude and not having any business integrity when it comes to backing-up the things she said when she sold the puppies.

I would think if she was honest and cared about her dobies that she would have taken the pup back!

 

[Tina]

I told her I wanted to retun him and get my $3,000 back, and she said, " no, sell him if you want. All sales are final".

I really just wanted to see what she would say, and what my options were, because I am so attached to him that I wasn't sure what I wanted to do.

Even if she did buy him back, I would be out $300 - $400 to ship him back and the VWD test. She even had the nerve to tell me that I got such a good deal, that I owe her money. lol. She is crazy.

She kept sending me rude emails, even insulting my other dog. I told her since she was harassing me and was not willing to negotiate I was blocking her emails. and I did. I figured if she changed her mind or wanted to apologize, then she could call me.

I also thought it was wierd that she blocked me on facebook as soon as I told her Remington came back carrier. Apparently she was worried that I would tell everyone on facebook.

 

[Tina]

That might also explain why she's dumping Arabella on Puppyfinder, as you mentioned. Maybe she screwed-up royally and thought her animals were clear, but they weren't. A lot of things sound like they don't add-up, but that's no excuse for being rude and not having any business integrity when it comes to backing-up the things she said when she sold the puppies.

I think that is exactly what happened. She is too stubborn to admit her own mistake for saying they were clear, when they are not. She would not negotiate with me at all. If she would have been nicer about it, I probably would have kept Remington anways. But no, she was very very rude and unwilling to negotiate at all. That is not a good breeder. I feel that if she can not keep her word about the VWD, then she would probably not uphold her health contract either. She is not a good person to deal with. That is why I am trying to warn people.

 

[Ataro]

In Lanas ad on puppy find.com it states the Famous Fidel Di Perlanera lives at Perlanera kennels. He does not. Perlanera kennels told me that they are just hearing about this breeding and the owner did not have their permission to breed him. I am not sure if that means he was sold without breeding rights or what???

In many countries in Europe, especially eastern Europe, puppies are just sold with full breeding rights (there is no such thing as limited registration, probably). So, they probably just sold him and someone else has him at stud.

 

[kaloric]

I would think if she was honest and cared about her dobies that she would have taken the pup back!

She's definitely not honest, and also doesn't care about the dogs at all. BAD, BAD, BAD!

 

[Marinegeekswife]

Just keep in mind folks, all we're hearing is one side if the story. Not saying that it is or isn't true but we need to be careful about accusations.

 

[Max Hawk]

Just keep in mind folks, all we're hearing is one side if the story. Not saying that it is or isn't true but we need to be careful about accusations.

Your most certainly right! Whenever you can it's better to deal with people you know and trust and make sure your contract lays down all the things you want to have too!

 

[kaloric]

Just keep in mind folks, all we're hearing is one side if the story. Not saying that it is or isn't true but we need to be careful about accusations.

Quite right, it would be nice to have the other side of the story.

 

[DreamValley]

I have a female and a male with solid pedigrees and they both are Vwd clear. Is it enough for breeding? Oh God... NOT!
Do you know what is difference between inbreeding, linebreeding and outcrossing?
How much do you know about European pedigrees? How much time did you spend on your research?
If you had in mind to breed your dogs why did you buy your boy from BYB? Their web site Imported TOP quality European dobermans - Euro doberman home screams BYB!

Do you want to produce puppies that will be rehomed or end up in kill shelters in a few months? The main reason I would not want to be a breeder... it's too hard to find good homes for Doberman puppies unless you are known in the Doberman world and have accomplishments in the show (not IABCA ) , obedience or other sports.

Sorry Tina but you are not ready to breed Dobermans. Enjoy your dogs as pets and be happy

 

[MicheleM]

Biting my lip really really hard! By you saying your not going to breed your bitch because she is VW carrier tells me just exactly how much knowledge you have on Dobermans. That is NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT HEALTH TEST IN THIS BREED. Your wanted to return her because she was a carrier!!!!

What health tests have you completed so far? Is she registered? Are you a registered breeder. How has she done in conformation? How many points or majors has she been awarded? Does she have her championship in anything?

What sire will you be using? Are his health tests in order and complement hers. Have you studied his pedigree and know all the dogs in the last five generations? Their health problems, how they died? Have you gone on dobe quest and found out. Have you studied all of that? Do you have probably 10,000 dollars to spare getting your ONE bitch her championship and health tested? VW is really such a very small part in the whole thing. FYI, you can breed a carrier to a clear and all puppies are healthy and safe. In a perfect Doberman world all Dobermans would be clear and reputable breeders are trying to accomplish this through blood sweat and tears.




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[MicheleM]

From reading this thread again I see it's a male your talking about. When you contacted this breeder did you ask what other health tests were done besides VW? What was the sire and dam's echo and halter results? Thyroid, liver tests, have eyes been cleared? Tests I would be more concerned about.

I think if I got a puppy from a breeder and as it matured it dropped dead of DCM I would be devasted and would certainly let people know about his history. I would be careful about what you say on the Internet about someone, even if your intentions are to warn people.

 

[Ataro]

I would be surprised if this woman did any testing at all, to be honest. These are some extracts from the emails we exchanged (just to give you a bit of a feel for her character):

"Most of the times i sale puppies to rich people who will take care of them and have money for good food .I don't deal with ugly dirty breeders because this is nothing but trouble."

"I am not sure about prices in Europe ,I can't help you with that, this is something between you and breeder, i don't have control of that, different kennel and different price. i have my prices set up because i have a deal, i never get only one puppy and plus i give them extra business all the time i work with the same people over years."

"To be honest with you, when i get emails and first think what people ask me, what the asking price? ,red flag for me. people who has no knowledge or experience and can't promote the bloodline not the number one customers to begin with .They breed working bloodlines and of course looking for the people who will be interesting in shows and training and all this cost money.Some times they breed own males sometimes use famous males from different kennels.I am not sure if price depend on that or not."

"I never sale my dogs or puppies cheap, i have customers who can afford my prices because i invest so much in health, good food, training and show and good quality cost money. I have name already and customers but i went long way to be on this stage. Not everyone can sale for the same price i do.I been working very hard to be comparative and successful. Quality cost money, can't get rich on breeding if you don't invest money in breeding. Bismarck cost me so much but i charge for his stud top $ and not every one on my list who can pay, have to be comparative."