Can you tell me the difference in the two? Is it just the difference in the strength of the shock? It goes from 0 to 99 although I can't say what the actual shock is at each level. It's rechargeable, goes 1600 ft and waterproof.
Kira getting an issue on her neck
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0 - 99 is more range than I thought. The NVKs I'd seen were like up to 10 or 12. Sorry I didn't look up your specific model when I said that. I'd seen the NVKs at pet stores and such in the $30 range and assumed (never assume!
) that's what you had.That said, a small range of numbers like 1 - 12 means little leeway for too much or too little stimulation. 1 - 100 (mine is 120) means you can fine tune for your particular dog - or circumstance. For example, I can have no reaction at 30, attention at 33 and total response at 35. With a simpler e-collar with few choices I might get no attention at 5 and a shriek at 6 and no choices in between. That is disturbing to me! When I hike I keep mine low, around 20 for Asha, just a tap if she gets too far ahead of me, nothing painful, just "a tap on the shoulder" to say excuse me, wait up. In her younger years, first time in a motel the explosive barking went on every time she heard a voice or a car door slam. I had it on pretty high to stop it, but it wasn't enough to make her squeal but it wasn't enough to make her think twice about barking again an hour later. I was a first timer with the ecollar and like nearly everyone else, I didn't want to hurt her or shut her down. Looking back, I should have cranked it up instead of "nagging" her, because what I was in no way shutting her down... In the behavior class I went to the other dogs used high quality collars - Educators I think - and my friend with the GSDs that taught that class said most of them trained at 5 or 8 out of 100. I even handed her Asha to work on her pulling and she was amazed that Asha didn't respond until 25 or 30. My model is good for 1/2 or 3/4 miles, Granted Asha has never dreamed about getting that far away from me, but it was used (before I ever got Asha) when Reckless took out after a deer and didn't come back when called. She has never chased deer since.
Edit to add - I believe that all e-collars are rechargeable, but how long they hold the charge and how long the internal batteries last before changing (or have to be thrown away) might differ. Mine is waterproof, but since it's nearly 10 years old I'm not sure I'd trust the seal. But we don't have a swimming hole anyway. LOL.
You get a total response at 35, yet it goes to 120! I wonder what the heck it feels like at 120 if you're getting a response at 35. Maybe that's for a dog with lots of hair.
You said yours goes to 99, but that doesn't mean you set it on 99 when you go to the barn to feed your horses. It's not for lots of hair, it's for the dog choosing disobedience over your command. It's for a dog running after a rabbit into the highway. It's for a dog that thinks it needs to bark at the flagman when you're in road construction. The dial is so you can go from a suggestion to an order. Whether it's from 2 to 10 or from 20 to 100. The dial is for fine tuning your training.
What I'm saying is that walking around on a hike just exploring Asha acknowledges a light tap on 20 to wait up if she's 50 feet in front of me. If she explodes barking at the maid knocking on the door two doors down at a motel she won't even blink at 60. She just.doesn't.care. I know that people who have never dealt with this don't get it. I never dealt with it before this dog. I will not apologize for doing what it takes to make my dog a good citizen. In 4 years I may have made Asha squeal 4 or 5 times with a stim, one was on ignoring my recall when she ran at the neighbors fence 3 acres away barking at their guest with a new dog in their yard. She ignored me, I cranked it up and she came running as fast and hard as she could. Now when I whistle she flies to me no matter what. Every single time.
My whole paragraph of explaining was so that people can understand that not all dogs are alike, and each dog does not react to the collar when relaxed as when they are in a high state of emotion, whether it's aggressive barking or chasing a deer or not listening to your recall. I totally understand that not all dogs need the dial turned up. Most dogs don't even need an e-collar. Know your dog. Don't use an e-collar at all if you don't need it!
UnitySpirit64
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Sublimed Sulphur works good. I used it on a boxer once with a round sore that just keeped oozing and reopening. Once I cleaned it and kept the powder dry on it. Healed like in one week. Im not saying Im an expert or even if the Sulphur did it. I just know I have helped many skin issues with it.
UnitySpirit64
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Well maybe there are different collars. Its a shock/beep/buzz collar. I never used one so thought that is an ECollar everyone talks on and yes don't need metal to skin. The tips are able to carry the current yet not irritate the skin. I realized that is what happened when I saw one was off.
UnitySpirit64
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I will disagree respectfully it dulls down the shock. I accidently shocked my Kira first time I put it on her and it was only at 5 and both the cover tips were on it. Kira screamed out and ran around a bit. I felt so bad. I think it may be the dog being more sensitive. Im only guessing of course. I am 65 years old btw and owned dobermans since the 70's but never once do I say I can't learn something new or change what I thought was right. I love my dogs so much I want whats best for them. Its why I hate the collar so much . But I laugh at Kira now with the bark collar she mubbles to herself instead of bark .. She has to say something and figured out just what she can get away with on the collar.The E-collar that I got for Kali came with rubber tips also. It's supposed to help save the fur but it also dumbs down the shock. So I guess it's a individual thing. Most people use it without the rubber tips. I started with them on but they eventually fell off and I didn't even notice.
For me, on a little dog like Kali, I'm not using it like you would on a doberman.... Tight and high around the neck. For her, it's just floating loosely on her neck because all I use is the sound and sometimes vibration. And she can feel the vibration even though its not tight to her neck. She's excellent with the sound alone.
Im a neighbor who does not want my dog barking all the time and being not a good neighbor. Bark only when nescessary. I have it set to where she can bark maybe 3 times and it warns then if she continues it zaps.. Pretty good cheap bark collar too. Been 3 weeks since I charged it. Only put it on her when I let her out to exercise or do her business. So I use both a bark collar and and the Ecollar. I will call it that . I googled what I got and heres a photo they called it Ecollar.Attachments
No worries! I'm only going by what I read.
they said that it dulls the shock. I liked it mainly because I didn't like that metal piece digging into my dog who is only about 10 to 12 pounds. I have rarely used the shock on her.I'm even older and I always said, Never Stop Learning! It's true we learn something new all the time. I wouldn't want it any other way!
UnitySpirit64
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Actually its made to transmit the shock its not just rubber tip its conductive material. I am kinda on fence to use one or not. I know I do not use the shock . When she screamed out that one time that was it for me. I do kindness training. Works for me. But Kira is totally differnt than the american breeds I had. Smart yet stubborn but she has a built in clock I love. Only she won't go forward or backward with daylight savings which is kinda rough sometimes. lol 4:30 am . Got to out. then 6:30 food 12:30 pm taking a nap 3 pm play time in the horse tank 4 pm walking on treadmill 15 min *she loves it* . 9:30 potty time. This is her schedule not mine.. Of course other things in between . And she whimpers a bit then she turns up volume if I ignore her but then she wins I get up and let her out of her pen. We can't do much with the heat so I exercise her on the treadmill . Normally I don't give in but it is a good schedule. I like it. We do the nap together.No worries! I'm only going by what I read.
I'm even older and I always said, Never Stop Learning! It's true we learn something new all the time. I wouldn't want it any other way!
