Is this the correct amount of distemper vaccines?

remy

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Is it typical for a puppy to need 4 distemper vaccines? Everything I see online seems to say 3, but Remy’s vet scheduled him for a 4th when he’s 18 weeks old.

On 2/23/23 he received DAPP while with the breeder.

On 3/23/23 and 4/13/23 he received DHP, and the vet scheduled him for it again in 3 weeks.

I was really hoping to take him to conformation class tomorrow, but the instructor doesn’t allow puppies to attend until they received all distemper vaccines.
 
Did you show him the vaccination record from the breeder to show he already had one before arriving? Sometimes they'll try to suggest a 4th for a booster but as long as he receives his every 3-4 weeks he shouldn't need a 4th booster.
 
Did you show him the vaccination record from the breeder to show he already had one before arriving? Sometimes they'll try to suggest a 4th for a booster but as long as he receives his every 3-4 weeks he shouldn't need a 4th booster.
I just got a response back from the vet. They are aware he received one prior, but are still recommending a 4th.

This was their response “We usually recommend 3-4 DHPP vaccines. Lately the recommendation has been 4 because we are starting to see resistance with Parvo, especially with Dobermans, Rottweilers, Shepherds. They seem to have higher incidence of Parvo.”
 
but the instructor doesn’t allow puppies to attend until they received all distemper vaccines.
I would ask what the instructor considers fully vaccinated. If it's just your vet who wants to do a 4th the instructor might be fine with the 3.
 
I would ask what the instructor considers fully vaccinated. If it's just your vet who wants to do a 4th the instructor might be fine with the 3.
I just sent her a text! I’m hoping she is fine with 3, but I understand if I need to wait until the 4th.
 
I just got a response back from the vet. They are aware he received one prior, but are still recommending a 4th.

This was their response “We usually recommend 3-4 DHPP vaccines. Lately the recommendation has been 4 because we are starting to see resistance with Parvo, especially with Dobermans, Rottweilers, Shepherds. They seem to have higher incidence of Parvo.”
I'd also ask Andria or Melissa if they have any experience with needing a 4th. They would know more on that than the vet, tbh.
 
I just sent her a text! I’m hoping she is fine with 3, but I understand if I need to wait until the 4th.
So the instructor suggests we wait until he receives the 4th vaccine, which is in about 2 weeks. In the meantime, is there anything we should work on at home? I want him to get a head start, and I feel like we are already falling behind lol.
 
So the instructor suggests we wait until he receives the 4th vaccine, which is in about 2 weeks. In the meantime, is there anything we should work on at home? I want him to get a head start, and I feel like we are already falling behind lol.
You can take him into stores and have him sit in the cart on a blanket. Or go to parks and sit in the car with windows down. Let him freely look at everything and reward him every time he looks at you on his own and mark with Yes! Building focus very young is the #1 thing you can work on for all future training.

You can start working on leash pressure training and rewarding him for being in heel position at home either inside or in the driveway, depends on how distracted he is. Inside for less disctraction. Build up the desire and value to be in heel position. Treats in left hand at your hip letting him dig into your hand to be rewarded treats for being there. Keep rewarding basic sit in heel position then slowly over many sessions add one step, treat, stop, treat. Keep building duration for this over weeks then eventually you can pull the treat hand away from his nose for a second and return it right away.
 
I just got a response back from the vet. They are aware he received one prior, but are still recommending a 4th.

This was their response “We usually recommend 3-4 DHPP vaccines. Lately the recommendation has been 4 because we are starting to see resistance with Parvo, especially with Dobermans, Rottweilers, Shepherds. They seem to have higher incidence of Parvo.”

That is correct and not at all an uncommon suggestion. Your Vet is trying to help you make darn sure your Doberman is protected against Parvo. It could also very well be that your particular Vet has noticed an uptick of Parvo cases in YOUR particular area.

Had a Vet / breeder of mine explain the same thing to me over 15 years ago about how Dobermans were more susceptible to Parvo than many other breeds and about how it does no harm to err on the side of caution.

Every Doberman I have had since that talk has / had received 4 rounds specifically for the Parvo vaccination reasons. Have never experienced any adverse reactions due to any of those shots thus far and have never had a Doberman come down with Parvo either.

Not sure if you know anyone that has ever experienced Parvo but you may want to look into it. It is nothing to play with.

Something else to consider as well - Your dog is not fully protected the minute after it gets that last shot. It takes a week or two AFTER that last shot for their body to fully develop those antibodies. My general rule of thumb is 2 weeks after the last round I consider them 'safe' to be out and about in public.

I generally fall into the camp that is very much against 'over vaccination' and very much pro titer testing and such but that is with respect to adult dogs. A puppy has almost no antibodies at all built up yet. We got to protect them until they are ready. :)


Rits mentioned taking him to stores and him riding in the basket so I feel the need to share an experience I had doing that with my current girls when they were pups.

Didn't want them walking on potentially nasty floors before they were fully vaccinated but didn't want to leave them in the truck so thought it would be ok to put them in the basket and let them ride along with me while I did my shopping. Was all fine and good until I got back out to the truck and went to go open the truck door to start loading it up - One of the girls got impatient (was likely my dog Patience but can't remember for sure) and she took a leap out of the basket as soon as she saw the truck door open up. Damn dog face planted in the pavement of the parking lot right on her snout. Busted her chin / blood everywhere. I darn near had a heart attack thinking she knocked all her darn teeth out (she didn't). :(

The dog shook it off just fine and recovered with no problems in short order but damn that freaked me out seeing her jump out like that and then face plant like she did. Would never, ever do that basket thing again. If they are not old enough to walk around on their own due to shots or whatever - they can wait in the truck until they are old enough.

To this day I still feel like an idiot for not doing a better job of making sure that accident could not have happened in the first place. I honestly just never thought about something like that even happening because it had never happened before. I hate learning the hard way from my own mistakes. :(

This would be me if I was a lady and had a Doberman puppy not finished with the shots yet -

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Is it typical for a puppy to need 4 distemper vaccines? Everything I see online seems to say 3, but Remy’s vet scheduled him for a 4th when he’s 18 weeks old.

On 2/23/23 he received DAPP while with the breeder.

On 3/23/23 and 4/13/23 he received DHP, and the vet scheduled him for it again in 3 weeks.

I was really hoping to take him to conformation class tomorrow, but the instructor doesn’t allow puppies to attend until they received all distemper vaccines.

The litter we had we started the first vaccine at 10weeks. We did a Nomograph on the mother. This will tell when the maternal antibodies start to wane. Our boy Arson that we kept he only received 2 Parvo/Distemper vaccines between 10weeks and 16weeks. Titered at 20weeks. And showed a positive Titer. Last year we Titered at 3yrs and still showed a positive titer.

The reason they want to give vaccines 3 times is that they are trying to time where the Maternal antibodies wane enough. If the maternal antibodies are high, then that vaccine is blocked due to the mother's passive immunity that is passed along when the pup is born.
Usually, the maternal antibodies wane enough or are gone at 16weeks. To where the immune system will make antibodies from the vaccine.
This is also dependent on how much colostrum the puppy got the first few days when born. If the puppy was not feeding very well the first couple of days, then they might not get enough of the mother's maternal antibodies.

So, if you get the 3rd booster at 16-18weeks I would wait until 20-21weeks and have a Titer done. If they show a positive Titer (with any number) they are protected.

If they don't show a positive Titer for Parvo/Distemper then it could mean a few things.
One it could mean the dog is a non-responder and something is wrong with its immune system and will not make antibodies.
Two the vaccine was bad or improperly stored.

Remember once the immune system makes antibodies from a vaccine (or they got sick from the disease and recovered) they are protected. At this point more vaccines do not mean more protection.
Titers do not stay high all the time. Otherwise, the immune system would always be working overtime. They go up and down. If the dog is exposed to the disease, then the immune system will recognize the disease and then start making more antibodies.

At 1yr you can titer again to check antibodies. Then every 3 yrs.

You can do a search aboout vaccines on this site. I'm sure I posted some.
 
I think Dr. Jean Dodds, DVM believes in a 4th vaccine.

 
One important thing to remember is do not get a Rabies vaccine with any other vaccine. Wait about 4weeks in between vaccines.
We don't get what they call the Combo Wombo 5, 6, 7,8, 9 way vaccines.

We are not against vaccines but are against over vaccinating. If a pet shows a positive Titer, you don't have to revaccinate for that disease. Parvo/Distemper vaccines when given to puppies and the Immune System makes antibodies for those diseases. According to Dr. Schultz these antibodies can last 5-7yrs and up to the life of the pet.
The Kennel Cough vaccine does not work all the time since there are just to many bacteria that can cause it. And the vaccine can't cover all of them. So, it's really a non-vaccinable disease. It's just like a human cold. If you do get the Kennel Cough vaccine make sure it's the Nasal type and NOT the Injectable one.

I always remember a couple of things what Dr. Ronald Schultz, PhD who was teaching a seminar on Vaccines. He was a teaching professor at the Vet school Wisconsin/Madison. He said, Too much of a good thing could be a bad thing. Also, Vaccines don't cause allergies but might trigger them.


I think Dr. Jean Dodds, DVM believes in a 4th vaccine.



Also, here is a very good page with lots of info from Dr. Dodds, Hemopet site all about

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So, if you get the 3rd booster at 16-18weeks I would wait until 20-21weeks and have a Titer done. If they show a positive Titer (with any number) they are protected.
The problem is that some training or boarding facilities don't accept this. They should but some require proof of the required vaccines and nothing else.
 
The problem is that some training or boarding facilities don't accept this. They should but some require proof of the required vaccines and nothing else.

Yes, we ran into this problem. Well, they just don't know the science. I inform them just because a vaccine is given doesn't mean the pet is protected! The only way to see if they are protected is by a Titer. All they care about is getting sued.

We finally found a place she knew the science.
 
I have to chime in because Clarke will be 7 years old this summer, and has not have a parvo/distemper shot since he was 4 months old when I got him. I have titered him since; and he just had a titer last week (I send it off to Hemolife Dr. Dodds) and he still shows VERY GOOD TITER. I was certain that he would need a booster this year; I titer every 2 years, but thankfully he does not...especially now that he has DCM. The reason I started titering is because with our last boy; I vaccinated against everything the vet suggested, and he died from Lymphoma at 6 years old. Just my 2 cents ;)
 
Parvo/Distemper Puppy Core Vaccines last 5-7yrs and up to the life of the pet. Also, a good thing to do is a week before you're going to Titer is take them for a walk in the woods or a dog park. This might even boost the Titer results.
We Titer every 3yrs.
We also changed our vaccine protocols back in 2009 to stop over vaccinating and no Combo Wombo 4, 5, 7, 8, 9 way vaccines. And just get the Distemper/Parvo Core vaccines. Our one Dobe developed Autoimmune Hemolytic Anemia a few days after getting boosters. This was at a time when vets were giving boosters every year.
 
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