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If I was a breeder...looking for working lines

The website has a good deal of information on dogs, some notable kennels from the past, you can learn useful information, etc. This isn't where I would go looking for my next Doberman, just saying. These 'bred for purpose' dogs are just not my thing. I don't need or want it, at the end of the day you have to be able to live with the dog.

Regarding their last advertised litter, in the pedigree you have this dog. Euthanized due to owners inability to handle him. Obviously here they are putting the problem on the owner and not the dog...continues breeding his offspring. (Let's be honest, Euthanized for his sh*t temperament )
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Icaro vom Blitzkrieger passed the Körung in Sweden with
188 points out of 200 points and
also passed working/breeding tests in Sweden. He has full dentition and tested as vWD carrier. Icaro was euthanised at 7½
years of age due to his owners inability to handle him."

Wow. Bet there is more to that story...
Reminds me of youtuber Stonnie Dennis "dont get a dog you cant kick the azz of..."
 
For example- (and this is not a comment on anyone here, more for lurkers doing homework...)
...just a good explanation of what may be involved in managing a strong breed...

 
Looking at the original post regarding working vs. show lines spawns the content of my post. Perhaps show lines are not as complete a write off for performance and sport and perhaps even defence related venues as in protection as sometimes believed. On what grounds can I confidently state the above??? Personal observation/experience then perhaps my belief and personal opinion is best illustrated by Ludek Silhavy of past IDC note worthy accomplishments/IDC world championships 2001/2002 and bio listed HERE

The conversation needs to swing over to the value of prey drive in the Doberman/Dobermann per se and the inherent thresholds needed to be crossed to incite it. Prey drive is pretty much a given in both show and working lineage lest the name Doberman/Dobermann be a misnomer. The low threshold of prey and defense drive in working lines versus the higher threshold of prey and defence drive in show lines is what separates the two IMHO. That is not to imply the preceding statement be etched in stone as being irrefutable. Anomalies exist. My opinion is based on generalization.


Working line pups will display 'predatory' behaviour when exposed to a fleeting furry ‘prey-simulating-trigger ' and will be immediately be incited into prey drive to chase, bite, 'death kill' to and fro head shake and unwillingness to give up the prey. To have access to such bloodlines makes the various venues the Doberman excels in, a blessing in disguise — yet as many a new owner unfamiliar with the drive finds such behaviour repugnant and incompatible if they lead a sedentary low activity life style. Therefore observe in the working line puppy video, the activity of the litter mates. This is how a knowledgeable breeder determines who gets the pup dominating the game and the trickling down to seeming absence of drive to engage in the competitive display of possession over the captured mock form of 'prey'.

The litter of several pups in the video with 3 being the most 'prey driven' indicates easy trainable prospects for sport of all venues as, well as OB, scent-work right on up to SD duties. The one hitch to a positive outcome is DAILY sessions of short duration intermittently tapping into the drive for the task at hand — lest destructive problems will arise. The intent of sounding like a broken record regarding unwanted behavioural issues is directed at potential first time owners unaware of what the intimidating 'look of eagles' and majestic appearance hold under the surface. Just sayin'.

The following is a quote by Ludek Silhavy from the attached pup video. It is a translation of the original and consequently the interpretation is unclear in a couple of instances.
It is becoming more and more frequent to the point of despair. I receive dogs that are broken down from previous defense training. They are afraid of the sound of the whip, afraid of hints of a strike, they have an uncertain disposition and if by any chance the whip is still good, they hardly approach me from a distance. On the rehearsal, it is almost impossible to keep them from biting, let alone from biting in the civilian life. I understand that I am using them for the first time, but the second time, they will really, really strike back.
Here in the video, there are two fangs on their first and second defense. One from the exhibition line, the other from the working line. If I were to use the favorite and painful (just try to bite) whipping, the first one would never bite again and the second one would be so nervous that she would do the test.
Yes, there are dogs that can endure it. Most are, however, traumatized by this experience. Forceful violence is mostly counterproductive.
Friends of the figurines, I know that you may feel awkward in front of your clients, friends, people at the training. You will definitely get further with the video presentation. You should try to teach the dogs to want to work and not have to. First, you just build the disposition and the bite, the prey drive. Nothing else is important in the first phase of training. The rest comes naturally. For example, obedience in defense. I never teach it. It just comes naturally, like a puppy. Aggressive fighting is built only when you achieve the disposition. Nothing else is important in the first phase of training. For example, obedience with a leash is practically unacceptable for the current generation, just like prey drives into civilians, only on the leash under the jacket or sweater. It hurts, doesn't it?
I don't know how many dogs I have prepared this way, there were hundreds. And I could also compare their work when they left me, because it seemed too expensive for them, the same or just plain obedience that is now in and then they return and we have to deal with it for a long time.
I don't recommend it to anyone for several decades if I'm not directly being asked. That's ungrateful. But what I'm experiencing almost daily has forced me to write this. Maybe you'll think about it. And if you have friends who feel the same, share it with others. Maria Engelhardt
 

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