[fci] Dobermann Breed Standard Changes On 1st Of January 2015

I think it matters not one toss to the breed itself as a functional dog breed. Only thing it will do,which is very sad, is push the non believers out of the breed.
Cropping and docking is purely aesthetic and of no consequence to the breeds ability to work.
I personally think banning anything is horseshet, freedoms to live as we choose (within reason) is being stripped from us all. It's a very sad state of affairs.
This is the REAL tragedy here. Next thing they will betaking our guns and all our rights,oh wait...........
 
iceman said:
Meaning only dogs cropped/docked before that date will be allowed to breed and register litters.
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Wow you cant even breed a C/D dog born after that date?? It will certainly be interesting to watch this saga unfold.. I have to say that even though the news doesnt really affect me directly yet this is the biggest deal to go down since i got in to Dobermanns personally..
 
Not surprised at all by the decision of the IDC - considering there are 23 member countries that do not permit docking and cropping, 2 countries (Italy and Purtugal) that permit docking but not cropping and ONLY 12 member countries who permit docking and cropping.
 
Hold on a second here.

They have the authority to choose what happens with there breed??

Does that mean this will be carrying over to the DPCA?

I worry how many will do cropping under the table now. They is a side affect to these stupid bans.


Very sad day and I'm glad I still live somewhere where this is allowed.
 
JanS said:
That's always another huge concern. :(
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I dont see this being an issue at all. C/D has already been illegal in 75% of IDC represented countries. This new standard doesn't make cropping and docking illegal where it isn't already.. I believe a good many breeders who live in legal C/D countries represented by the IDC will simply forego IDC shows and compete local.

I don't even think this will have a big impact on exported puppies. They can still crop if they choose. Where I see the biggest change and largest effect on the USA is no one will be importing cropped and docked titled studs from IDC represented countries in to the USA anymore.. That is a real game changer for people like Steve Parsons of family Dobes.
 
The question was raised and their attitude was, we couldn't care less what the AKC thinks or does about it!!!
VonDoom said:
I dont see this being an issue at all. C/D has already been illegal in 75% of IDC represented countries. This new standard doesn't make cropping and docking illegal where it isn't already.. I believe a good many breeders who live in legal C/D countries represented by the IDC will simply forego IDC shows and compete local.
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You are wrong...the new standard will make it illegal everywhere under FCI and shows will not allow cropped/docked dogs..
In Europe a dog has to participate at least in one show and get an excellent evaluation to be able to register a litter..
If cropped/docked dogs are not allowed to participate then they will not be eligible to register a litter.
 
Well that makes sense but i believe my point still stands...(please correct me if i'm wrong, as i'm merely speculating) The IDC is not a body of the Government therefore cannot pass laws, only manipulate them.. Cropping and Docking is still legal where it was previously.. However i do concede that it would be impossible to produce any titles on a C/D dog going forward let alone a Champion.. But still does not exclude a pet owner from owning a C?D Dobermann.

I suppose this is a pretty significant nail in the coffin for C/D veterinarians and their offered services to breeders though. Which i believe would be a bigger piece of the ripple effect here..
 
Sad news but i believe there will still be plenty dobie purists who attempt to retain the traditional look of the breed. I wouldnt have mine any other way
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You can't retain what is now illegal unless you are willing to go to jail for it. You might have a few black market dogs but I must prefer we fight for our rights. NOW American the United States is the last strong hold. We must all united and stand solid on preserving our rights and our breed as it was intended. Once freedom on any level falls it is all in jeporady and we are slowly at an alarming rate now headed down the road of dictatorships where other people decided what you can and can't do.

Ingrid the problem is that if the government bans it all the kennel clubs in the world not make any difference. Money is the only way to get their attention. HOW I wish EVERYONE would boycotT all shows at all countires that do not allow our dogs presented as originally intended. Shows are already down - Breeders must do make the hard decision to send a hard message DON"T MESS WITH OUR DOBEMANS> We will not supprt your show. If they go broke they will no longer have any power to dictate to anyone.

The American Doberman Pinscher is our last hope for a cropped docked breed.
 
Hmm, I am curious as to how this plays out with the UDC? Are they not somewhat dictated by the IDC/DV play book?


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UDC - is a member club of AWDF - We adopted the American Doberman STandard which calls for c/d.- But it does causes us some big problems as some compeitors want to compete in Europe so have already caved on the issue so they can' sele dogs and compete over there. As long as the UDC uses the American Standard and can fight againts AKC and the powers that be who want to open the standard and FORCE us to include the discription of the uncropped ear and undocked tail we are toast because everyone country who supported CHOICE lost THEIR RIGHT - SO HOW IS THAT CHOICE??? WE will loose it. Those who scream the loudest about choice already have it so if that is the case then they darn well should be fighting for the right to crop and dock.

Von I so agree I wish we had more who had steel balls and would stand up to them and break them. Who cares about registration if the dogs are lost. If we refused to register our dogs or attend their shows it would send a clear message to ALL - DON"T MESS WITH OUR DOBERMANS.
 
Dobs4ever said:
Ingrid the problem is that if the government bans it all the kennel clubs in the world not make any difference. Money is the only way to get their attention. .
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But not all nations that compete in the IDC have crop and dock bans, so it's not a matter of law. So isn't this a matter of a club dictating what the standard is and what can be shown?
 
VonDoom said:
I get the impression the IDC is run by a congress with a Mob mentality. I think such a club would be opposed fiercely to the point of potential violence.. I don't think to many people have that type of backbone anymore.. Haha unless your declaring jihad!!! :p


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Here's the thing - One of the reasons the IDC was formed was to UNIFY the regulations pertaining to the breed. With more then half the members clubs (countries) of the IDC not permitting docking and cropping, it should be of no surprise to anyone that this rule was passed - it's been in the making since Germany outlawed docking and cropping. A couple of years ago the IFR (International Federation for Rottweilers) and the FCI changed their regulations and set the date where Rott's with docked tails would not be able to show in international competition under their organizations. Now there are two fairly large Rott Organizations in the US - ARC (AKC Standards) and USRC (FCI/IFR Standards). The IDC was founded by the President of the Dobermann Verein=Germany . Any country can chose to be a member country of the IDC or not . With the passing of the new "rule" - the USA has a choice to remain a member or not. Specifically UDC has a choice to remain a member or not of the IDC, because they are currently the member club for our country.

I don't think the IDC is run by a congress with a Mob mentality - more like misery loves company because I truly believe that if docking and cropping were not banned in their countries...a good percentage of their dogs would be docked and cropped.I have, however, wondered what other countries who call the Dobermann Breed by the founders name = Dobermann think of the USA/AKC for changing the breed name here to Doberman Pinscher.
 
unbelievable....I hope the AKC doesn't jump on this band wagon. I don't need any more reasons to become a recluse. In my little corner of the world all are welcome who believe we have the right to choose and the right to freedom! I will proudly display my flag, and they can have my guns when they pry them from my cold dead hands....providing they get past my C/D Dobermans.
:imsorry:Sorry I felt the need to vent..I hope everyone had a fantastic weekend:drama:
 
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