It's odd but Olive is becoming a little more open now at 2 years, 5 months. The other day her and our trainers Beauceron were playing under the evaluators table at the match. Of course a Doberman is partly derived from the Beauceron so maybe there are similarities there that we don't realize.
I really like what I see in the Beauce looks and temperament wise, plus the shepard coat adds some extra temperature range.
I wouldn't at all mind getting more information on the Beauceron. Maybe it can be copy/pasted to me if so inclined. In my switch away from the Doberman and its intimidating looks, I wanted something larger to make up for it – especially if it was going to have uncropped ears. In terms of height, I did not like what I saw from the Beauceron.I really like what I see in the Beauce looks and temperament wise, plus the shepard coat adds some extra temperature range.
I've met a couple three on trails and talked briefly with the owners; the dogs were very intimidating looking but fine and social enough to accept pets once warmed up.
Sorta like a Dobe in a GSD skin suit...
I wonder how the COI is, bases on the manual method and any surveys from genetic samples.
@JanS Mind if I ask you if you or trainer could suggest best place for breed info, and training, other recommendations? Feel free to PM to not thread jack the OP query on dobes.
I'm not sure I have the time or interest in doing trials but would train to give the dog a job and active life.
The Mountain Cur you mentioned is another...depends on where we end up in retirement which is "evolving"...
At least the Beauceron has cropped ears and Selleck, the trainers male is pretty big.
That was my impression to from the handful met in person. Lotta drive.
I don't know any Beaucerons in person, but I was very interested in them after learning all the health problems of Dobermans. Since I have an interest in bite sports, that's where I dug around and it turns out the answer was "very few" fit the bill for that sport. That they are slow to mature and most don't have the drive and tenacity for it. Basically the same answer as you'd get with Dobermans, but since the Beaucerons have even few breeders specifically aiming at protection sports I could see how the "it's possible but not probable" about them being forward in that. Herders are instinctively protective, as they were bred to protect herds, but many of them don't carry over into protection sports. So just as a Border Collie is extremely high drive and intelligent, and a problem if it doesn't have a job, it is not a promising choice for protection sports. I expect a Beauceron might be the same. I know you aren't looking to do bite sports, but just thought I'd toss that in. The busy-ness need for a working line Dobe (or any other working breed) can be satisfied with almost any daily training or outings that stimulate their need for companionship, puzzle-solving, people-pleasing work that tires them mentally and physically, but just a handful of breeds will go up against a human in training because it's just not their nature.
If it's a shepherd, the hair is a non-stop daily reminder that you have a shepherd.
The hair part made me laugh, my thoughts exactly. I love how the beaucerons look, but the hair and I’m assuming you have to brush it often?I don't know any Beaucerons in person, but I was very interested in them after learning all the health problems of Dobermans. Since I have an interest in bite sports, that's where I dug around and it turns out the answer was "very few" fit the bill for that sport. That they are slow to mature and most don't have the drive and tenacity for it. Basically the same answer as you'd get with Dobermans, but since the Beaucerons have even few breeders specifically aiming at protection sports I could see how the "it's possible but not probable" about them being forward in that. Herders are instinctively protective, as they were bred to protect herds, but many of them don't carry over into protection sports. So just as a Border Collie is extremely high drive and intelligent, and a problem if it doesn't have a job, it is not a promising choice for protection sports. I expect a Beauceron might be the same. I know you aren't looking to do bite sports, but just thought I'd toss that in. The busy-ness need for a working line Dobe (or any other working breed) can be satisfied with almost any daily training or outings that stimulate their need for companionship, puzzle-solving, people-pleasing work that tires them mentally and physically, but just a handful of breeds will go up against a human in training because it's just not their nature.
For me, it's the hair.
Yes, have had two rescue GSDs, one a chow mix.I don't know any Beaucerons in person, but I was very interested in them after learning all the health problems of Dobermans. Since I have an interest in bite sports, that's where I dug around and it turns out the answer was "very few" fit the bill for that sport. That they are slow to mature and most don't have the drive and tenacity for it. Basically the same answer as you'd get with Dobermans, but since the Beaucerons have even few breeders specifically aiming at protection sports I could see how the "it's possible but not probable" about them being forward in that. Herders are instinctively protective, as they were bred to protect herds, but many of them don't carry over into protection sports. So just as a Border Collie is extremely high drive and intelligent, and a problem if it doesn't have a job, it is not a promising choice for protection sports. I expect a Beauceron might be the same. I know you aren't looking to do bite sports, but just thought I'd toss that in. The busy-ness need for a working line Dobe (or any other working breed) can be satisfied with almost any daily training or outings that stimulate their need for companionship, puzzle-solving, people-pleasing work that tires them mentally and physically, but just a handful of breeds will go up against a human in training because it's just not their nature.
For me, it's the hair.
They aren't quite as bad as a GSD but way more than I want to deal with.For me, it's the hair.
I love all these videos btw- they capture that hunter stalk eye challenge thsts so intimidating to other dogs but in dobes an invitation...is "games afoot...!"This could be a 'throw back Thursday" as well as Dobermans playing....
Our previous home was small, and these two made the rug the wrestling match
This is SO cool! I hope one day Pepper can get to play with another Doberman.
