Doberman head and body shapes?

I'm a bit barn blind, but the definition of two flat planes and a good stop (rather than a ski-slope connecting forehead to muzzle), a blunt wedge and good jaw is right under my roof. Since this thread has been open to kind criticism of our dogs I searched to find a good profile of mine. Form to function, almost all her random bites are deep to the back molars. Retaining her feminine look on top of all that is icing on the cake!

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I love reading the illustrated standard. Helps me be able to train my eye!


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The Doberman’s head is essential to breed type. There are a few criteria that must be met for the head to conform to the standard. However, it is possible for all of these criteria to be met and still have correct heads that are appreciably different from one another in overall look.

The head must be long (but always in balance with the neck and body) and dry. The term “dry” means that there should be no looseness of skin. As with the body, Dobermans should have tight-fitting skin on the head, with few or no wrinkles when the dogs are fully alert.

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The shape of the head is a blunt wedge that should be apparent when viewed from the front or from the side. The wedge can vary in width. Typically, a heavily-built dog will have more breadth to the head and therefore a wider wedge than a more slightly-built dog, which generally has a narrower wedge. What matters is that the width of the head be in proportion to the dog’s overall conformation.


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When approaching the Doberman head on, two flat planes fitting flush with the sides of the head should be visible. The head widens from the nose to the ears in a nearly straight line.

Eyes are almond shaped and dark — the darker, the better. Common faults are light eyes, round eyes, and oblique eyes. Round eyes seem to be much more prevalent than oblique eyes. The Doberman is a protection dog and should have eyes that convey alertness, determination, watchfulness and unmistakable fearlessness. Round eyes can create a soft, gentle appearance that deviates from the Doberman’s ideal appearance. Similarly, light eyes and bird-of-prey eyes are deviations from the standard.

Ears are normally cropped and carried erect. “Normally cropped” means cropped in a normal manner. Normally cropped does not mean “usually cropped.” Cropped ears will always be carried erect on a fully mature Doberman. The upper attachment of the ear to the head should be level with the top of the backskull when the dog is alert. The shape of cropped ears can vary because veterinarians exert their own vision on the final shape.

From his inception, the Doberman has been cropped. It is an essential breed characteristic. Cropped ears impart an appearance of alertness, determination, and watchfulness, and they aid in multi-directional hearing. In our standard, we do not describe an uncropped ear because this is a cropped breed. Dobermans with uncropped ears deviate from the standard twice — first by not having cropped ears, as required by the standard, and second by not having an erect ear carriage.


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The top of the skull is flat, as are the cheeks. These surfaces, along with the slight stop, create the impression of planes and angles. Curves can give a softer look to the head, which is contrary to the characteristic appearance of the Doberman.

The muzzle is parallel to the backskull. Although the standard does not address muzzle length, the length of the muzzle should be equal to the length of the backskull. The muzzle is strong and powerful with a fully developed underjaw, which should be clearly apparent when viewing the head in profile. The lips, including the flews, should be tight-fitting.

Prominent frontal arch
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Dish Faced
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Roman Nose
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Down face too little stop
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Short Coarse Muzzle
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Snipey Muzzle
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Wet Lippy Muzzle
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Ideal
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Low ear set
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Cheeky
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Wow super informative!

Jasper is definitely wet lippy. Though he is handsome to look at I wouldn’t consider him breeding “stock” mostly because of his bloodlines having Kimbertal in them a couple generations back. Hopefully his health won’t reflect that

Is the wet lippy because of the euro influence? Its okay though for me- he makes the goofiest faces with those lips and I can’t resist them 😆


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He was a pup in this photo so he had some extra loose skin to use to make this face lmao.
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Wow super informative!

Jasper is definitely wet lippy. Though he is handsome to look at I wouldn’t consider him breeding “stock” mostly because of his bloodlines having Kimbertal in them a couple generations back. Hopefully his health won’t reflect that

Is the wet lippy because of the euro influence? Its okay though for me- he makes the goofiest faces with those lips and I can’t resist them 😆


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He was a pup in this photo so he had some extra loose skin to use to make this face lmao.
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I think he is a beautiful dog anyway! I love his ear crop!! I've heard about Kimbertal. What do you guys think of Infinity Amoris in Serbia?
 
Cropped ears impart an appearance of alertness, determination, and watchfulness, and they aid in multi-directional hearing.
I agree that this is a major function in hearing and indicating. When I see Kaiser's 'satellites' start rotating, you know something is coming and once his ears lock in that position, he will be off to investigate in that direction too. I always enjoy sitting outside with him and just watching his ears move.
 
Wow super informative!

Jasper is definitely wet lippy. Though he is handsome to look at I wouldn’t consider him breeding “stock” mostly because of his bloodlines having Kimbertal in them a couple generations back. Hopefully his health won’t reflect that

Is the wet lippy because of the euro influence? Its okay though for me- he makes the goofiest faces with those lips and I can’t resist them 😆


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He was a pup in this photo so he had some extra loose skin to use to make this face lmao.
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I'd not heard of the term "wet lippy!" Does that refer to excess flew? Yes, that is a major element of the Euro look. Sometimes its way overdone and can impart a Great Dane look. I don't see Jasper as having pendulous of flews in those pics. I actually like a bit of it in a Dobe – provides a sort of tough guy look.
 
Below shows excess, or pendulous flew (but not as extreme as I have sometimes seen. I don't mind this all that much).
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Below shows a way oversized snout. I don't know if it's amplified by the camera lens or is perhaps even photoshopped, but this is not what a Doberman or even Dobermann snout should look like. You can even see that the eyes are a bit droopy with excess skin. I mean, it's not an ugly dog. It's just straying too far.
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Below shows excess, or pendulous flew (but not as extreme as I have sometimes seen. I don't mind this all that much).
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Below shows a way oversized snout. I don't know if it's amplified by the camera lens or is perhaps even photoshopped, but this is not what a Doberman or even Dobermann snout should look like. You can even see that the eyes are a bit droopy with excess skin. I mean, it's not an ugly dog. It's just straying too far.
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The oversized snout does not bring about the same impression of elegance as a more narrow snout.
 
Well, I have been debating...this was a labeled American Dobe, but I think it looks more Euro. The second is a definite Euro that they used in comparison.
 

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Well, I have been debating...this was a labeled American Dobe, but I think it looks more Euro. The second is a definite Euro that they used in comparison.
I agree that the first pic is not a good representative of American Dobe. One thing is, it has the nice rich rust markings more common in Euros. But the lines are often blurred.
 
I agree that the first pic is not a good representative of American Dobe. One thing is, it has the nice rich rust markings more common in Euros. But the lines are often blurred.
Blurred as in mixed?? I thought the same thing about the markings, but I was also think the overall topline and neck shape leaned toward Euro.
 

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