Thank you this was very informative I know Ares is done at the first joint and we were told his tail will grow as he ages. What you wrote made so much sense
Conformation breed standard - tail
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It should be a continuation of the topline, but not off a straight topline. The standard calls for a short, firm back that forms a straight line from the withers to the slightly rounded croup. When considering tail set, you have to take topline and hip angulation into consideration. If a dog is too rounded in the croup, or their hips are slightly angled, their tail set will appear to be too low when it is not.
I'm not sure on the banded thing, but the cause of the bald end of the tail is usually from stitched being popped out or it not healing correctly. If it was banded, I doubt there were stitches though.
I'm pretty sure both of ours were at the equivalent of the second joint, but I don't think it's real determinable yet when they're done so young.
Yes, more so than it would be American.
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(quote)Tail docked at approximately second joint, appears to be a continuation of the spine, and is carried only slightly above the horizontal when the dog is alert. (quote) Doberman Pinscher Club of America | Home From the actual standard regarding the tail. Since it is so hard to find a true joint on a 3 day old puppy that is why it is approximate. There is no 3 inch in the standard as a show dock although most show tails are done at approximately the 3rd joint. If you go to the 4th joint by they will usually look out of place or starts to go towards the Weim look which is very incorrect for our breed.
If you look at the example of the tail above you can see it is much shorter than we see in the ring most of the time. The Rottie tail is docked at the first joint and you basically can't see how it stands meaning gay or horizontal as it is too short for our breed.
If you look at the example of the tail above you can see it is much shorter than we see in the ring most of the time. The Rottie tail is docked at the first joint and you basically can't see how it stands meaning gay or horizontal as it is too short for our breed.
Gretchen_Red
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Enzo is docked at the 3rd. Although G's. tail looks longer in this picture it's only because she's closer. The long tails weird me out. His is long. 
Good stuff. But I thought "gay tail" meant it curved upward, not that it was so short it was hard to see. Am I wrong?
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Of courseThank you this was very informative I know Ares is done at the first joint and we were told his tail will grow as he ages. What you wrote made so much sense
Their tails don't truly grow as they age, but as the vertebrae develop, the joint spaces can lengthen slightly (we are talking mm).A correct doberman tail sits slightly above the horizontal plane. A gay tail is carried upright and indicates that the croup is too flat. It is a result of the hip falling away from the spine at an angle less than 30 degees, which is what creates a flatter croup.
The tail carriage of an alert dog should be between 3 and 2 o'clock.
Here is an example of a gay tail
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Gay tail is one that points at 12:00 o'clock. Sometimes curving towards the back. Yuck!!! My other pet peeve in the show ring is when the planes of the head are not parallel. I see a lot of these dogs get put up too. Unfortunately, sometimes it is more about who is showing the dog than the dog itself.
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I agree on the Yuck!!
Never heard that term and had to Google it.
Well, if I was to have to go by the gay joint down by the second dock, I'd bring along my Euro working Doberman.
You two lol to funny !!!
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No a tail can or not curve. If cropped at the 2nd joint they usually will not show a curve. A gay tail refers to tail placement and carriage which stands straight up in the air like a flag. I honestly do not believe anyone has considered the challenges people will face in trying to breed for correct tail carriage if we loose our rights plus we will see for several years some awful examples of tails. What about thickness??? We need to fight for our standard or we will see a drastic decline in beautiful Dobermans as we struggle for that ugly tail. JMHO from what I have seen on the dogs that are now required to be left undocked. Not to mention it just destroys the look of the head as the Doberman head was not designed for a drooped ear.
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Porsche has Euro nub and thats my fav but they are all cute nubs !
Show Nub Love !
Show Nub Love !
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I have thought the same thing recently! I just cracked it up to being an amateur, but they all look like the tails are longer than standard and carried much higher than standard dictates. To me, just above the back does NOT read as, "perpendicular to the back." I was looking at the "Dogs of All Nations" book and the "Encyclopedia of Dog Breeds" and none of the Doberman tails in those books are as long or as erect as the ones that I see on "show" dogs.
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More than kind of...as I posted above, a gay tail is a heavily weighted fault. It is an issue with not only the tail placement, but with the hip alignment and the topline.
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