Conformation breed standard - tail

Oh I get it that's not him. I thought he looked a little skinny in the 1nd pic
Lol ok I think we're getting confused the first pic I posted? Or which pic hahaha he is a little skinny right now but he grew and turned his nose up at kibble till I switched to a raw diet hahahahaha but I would agree he does look a skinny right now lol darn growth spurts !
 
Here's a 2nd joint, awful pic of her in an awkward position thoughView attachment 55332
That is my understanding of what a 2nd joint dock usually looks like. It looks about right. I don't at all mind a shorter dock though. Oji has quite a short dock. My previous Dobe had a dock that was too long. The only benefit was that I could grab him by it and lift up his back end to clear his hind legs of the leash when it got fouled up with the legs.

I too have wondered about this topic.Thanks for posting this question, Drogon.

There is the issue of the tail carriage – good point – most Dobes in the show ring hold it up higher than the standard states.

Also: Where it is set on – should look about like a continuation of the top line. I see this violated in the majority of Dobes. This is linked to rear hip angulation, isn't it? All the Dobes I've had have had the tail set on too low.

And: When the docked tail has an upward curve to it, that looks so bad to me. I used to think that it indicated a structural fault, but I wonder now. In un-docked Dobes the tail is almost always curved up over the back, or even approaching curled.

I can snap a shot of Oji's little tail nub. You will see how short it is, and how the thing was botched. A major bald spot which is kind of gross, and is sensitive and can be made to bleed.
 
It does look less long in that pic.
Ya its just the angle that makes it look long in the other pic it's docked at the first joint. That's what I was saying that his tail isn't long but with trick photography and angles you can make anything look certain ways !
 
I personally like the dock to be rather short, but I do prefer more of the Euro looking tail too. I'm probably partial but I think the length on both of our dogs is perfect - not too long and not too short.
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Boris' was a little longer than I prefer.
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It's weird – you can see that the tail sort of gets narrower toward the tip. This litter of pups' tails were banded FYI. Wonder if that's the cause of the narrowing.
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Below: You can see the major bald spot.
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We can also talk about tail thickness. I at least used to have a theory regarding tail thickness and heaviness of bone overall.
 
yes I'll get another one of Ares whose also a euro lol pictures are hard to tell though I agree
 
There is no true "standard" for tail dock length. It is suggested to be at the 2-3 joint for show dock. A tail that is too long or too short can detract from the dog overall. Keep in mind tail length will look different on each dog as vertebrae size varies from line to line and even from dog to dog, including littermates. Aria and Faith are cropped at their 3rd and both have lovely tails. Archer was cropped at his 5th. I personally love Aria's tail. The width and length are my ideal. I will hve to see if I can find a pic of her booty, lol.

I also can't stand a gay tail @Doberman Gang and I agree that you do see judges put them up a lot. Surprisesd me as it is considered to be a heavily weighed fault.
 

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