Hi everyone. I am trying to add a Doberman to my family and have reached out to about 10 breeders from the dpcs.org website inquiring on puppy litters and have not had any luck. Two have reached back out with no litters planned. I will be ready come the new year and want to at least engage in conversations with any possible breeders. Do any of your recommend one in Florida. I live on the east coast but will travel any where to meet the breeder. Thanks all.
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Are you like looking for an American look or European look? Working temperament or show temperament. Are you going to be doing any kind of competition or are you just looking for a pet/companion?
Welcome from Minnesota! 
Reputable breeders are often very busy, so you may not hear back from them right away and if you do get on a list with them, it can potentially take a year or more.
If you are willing to have a pup flown to you, it would open up a lot more options.
Reputable breeders are often very busy, so you may not hear back from them right away and if you do get on a list with them, it can potentially take a year or more.
If you are willing to have a pup flown to you, it would open up a lot more options.
I'm further north (Pennsylvania) but have very good things to say about Von Schwartz doberman kennels in the Pittsburgh area. Ive talked to Katie a few times, she has been very thorough, answered my questions, and given me info even though I'm not currently in the market. I love the look of her dogs, and I know a few people with pups from her past litters. She breeds euro dogs but does have both working and conformation lines. I like the fact that she has a boarding and training facility, she and her fiance do IPO work, and all her dogs live in the house with her. I see her post pictures of them (facebook) often and you can tell they are all very well loved!
I found a Von Schwarz (without the "t"). I assumed it is what you are referencing. Am I wrong?
Von Schwarz looks impressive with Euro and considerable working lines. I was disappointed, though, that they basically sell "natural"
ears and tail unless you pay $300 above the $2500 purchase price and have them cropped/docked.
300 bucks for crop and dock in and of itself isn't a bad deal.I found a Von Schwarz (without the "t"). I assumed it is what you are referencing. Am I wrong?
Von Schwarz looks impressive with Euro and considerable working lines. I was disappointed, though, that they basically sell "natural"
I haven't looked at the site, or any real knowledge to know if their stock is worth the 2500, but at $2,800 cropped and docked, that isn't out of line of a breeder with real dogs, titles, etc?
Not out of line, unfortunately. I am mainly bemoaning the movement away from C&D. If I'm candid: Oji's breeder has robustly embraced non-C&D. The stated reason is: Should one of their Dobes reach the international competition level in IPO it would be required. They also, however, make it clear that they are nuts about those adorable tails and ears. It's a major reason I will probably go with a different breeder next time.
I almost settled for a floppy-eared Dobe in Oji, if you can believe that. The breeder, at the last moment, realized that enough of their buyers desired cropped so they arranged for a colleague to do it, coincidentally, for the steeply discounted price of $300. (A fantastic crop it was, by the way – my favorite crop style).
I've not asked April what if any discount would be on a pup without C/D.
She will accommodate someone who wants a natural dog, but her usual is a full C/D.
As I've had natural ear Dobermans it's not as big of a deal breaker as it would be to some?
The first four Dobermans I knew were C/D and as you know Daisy was natural ear, docked. So is Rocky.
Ears don't make the dog.
Tails don't make the dog...Rocky's nub, the poor guy.
To me temperament, breed specific traits and breed standard combined make a dog. There's a big slice of heart within the specific dog that goes in there too but I think you get my drift.
Yeah. I know ears don't make the individual dog.I've not asked April what if any discount would be on a pup without C/D.
She will accommodate someone who wants a natural dog, but her usual is a full C/D.
As I've had natural ear Dobermans it's not as big of a deal breaker as it would be to some?
The first four Dobermans I knew were C/D and as you know Daisy was natural ear, docked. So is Rocky.
Ears don't make the dog.
Tails don't make the dog...Rocky's nub, the poor guy.
To me temperament, breed specific traits and breed standard combined make a dog. There's a big slice of heart within the specific dog that goes in there too but I think you get my drift.
I just think of implications for the breed.
I found a Von Schwarz (without the "t"). I assumed it is what you are referencing. Am I wrong?
Von Schwarz looks impressive with Euro and considerable working lines. I was disappointed, though, that they basically sell "natural"
Its likely the same one. They compete internationally, which is why they don't automatically c/d. I think 2 of her dogs are natural, the rest are cropped and docked.
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Does any of her dogs have a national title let alone an international title? What would make her think her dogs offspring would be good enough to go to an international competition. I think you could find another breeder to meet your needs and get a cheaper price with a crop and dock. All of the breeders I know sell for less with crop and dock.
Yes, as far as I know, her dogs have both national and international titles.
I'm guessing the answer to that is no since she prices her pups with the C/D and most likely gets a package price when she has a whole litter done.
Her conformation titles are from IABCA. I know many that don't consider that a highly regarded title.
Looks like most of her dogs are imports. She's got a male from her program that she feels has lots of promise. She seems new to the game and that in it's self doesn't make her bad. But I would probably pass.
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She took 4th place at the MidEast Regionals. I'm pretty sure her boyfriend (fiance ?) lives in EU somewhere (Netherlands / Norway ? I forget). I think she did compete in a trial when she was in EU but I'm not certain. I think 'international' is open to interpretation. Does it mean you compete in a country other than the one you live in? Does it mean you compete in an event where multiple countries compete?
I don't know how long she's been doing IPO but she has a full IPO field at her house. I think her BF might be a helper too but living in EU it doesn't help much.
Hes from the Netherlands (only know because I know some Dutch ) but I believe he lives here now. They were over there visiting hia family from my understanding. He is a helper; I believe he does a lot of the training at their facility.
I know one or two of them had lines I would stay away from, you and I talked about that before lol... I think it was females though. Ferro is one of hers I love to see pics and videos of. I made a collar for one of her rescued females, Luka... I liked the fact that she also rescued as well (not to breed- Luka is fixed) Katie seems to be a genuinely nice, educated person, with a true love and respect for our breed.
I think the National/International that the breeder is referring to are IABCA titles. I think I mentioned above they are not very highly regarded. That part doesn't really bother me as long as she has a good understanding of how a dog is supposed to be put together. IABCA, UDC and UKC are much more popular venues for euro owners. It makes sense to me that is where she got hers. I do like the fact that she at least takes a stab at confo. So many working breeders are all about the bite. Conformation IS important.
I think I remember that conversation but I can"t remember which dogs.
There's so much opinion about that. I know some breeders hate the idea of rescue. They see it as a threat to the health of their dogs. I don't know how I feel because a good breeder should take back pups that don't work out. What's the difference?
A concern for me would be care of the dogs. That's a lot of dogs and dobies need so much one on one time. Not saying she is abusing or not caring for them, that's just a lot. IPO, conformation, researching and breeding,health testing, feeding, that's a ton of work.
Her passion is impressive though. It looks like she is working hard to prove herself.
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