Prepping for the CGCA and proofing general obedience

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We are on week 2 of prepping for our CGCA evaluation at the end of 6 weeks. Thought I'd make a thread on our journey and to share proofing general obedience skills out in public.

I encourage others to challenge themselves and work on some obedience in public! - Whether a park, a sidewalk in front of a store, a parking lot, or in a pet friendly store; then feel free to share here with everyone! Even if for just a few minutes here or there. Even just acclimating our dogs in new environments without telling them to do anything and rewarding when they give desired behaviors (like sit or down on their own) in these environments is sooo good for them and a step in the right direction for you as a team! It's been super difficult, especially with the upcoming puppies from the last two years, with covid so now is a good time as ever.



Class today went pretty well! A strange man approached us outside while Ripley was trying to go potty so she was ON EDGE going into the store. I really appreciate our trainer so so much as she always has us acclimate our dogs before every class and has them simply exist inside the store lobby for a good 15 min. Rewarding for good behaviors and testing them with her nearby talking to us, jiggling a treat bag in her pocket or walking a dog close by. So this gave Ripley some time to simmer down and think. Then her eyes were staring into my soul 😂

After that she was so good! We went in on the prong this week but I felt she was ready and swapped her to her flat collar once she settled. We heel on a loose leash from the entrance and go back to the pet area for a new environment, more training. This time with pallets of dog food all around them, some bags busted open in the corners with food on the floor. Great opportunity for "leave it" training. She had us walk over two piles of kibble on the ground to test our skills. Ripley is pretty good with leave it when it's a treat I have, I can throw it at her and tell her to leave it and she completely ignores it but food on the ground from somewhere else? Oooh her brain was working sooo hard lol. We would loose leash heel by it and Rip would leave it but she stared at it as we walked by. You could see the gears turning 😅 I did body block her this time, because she was on the flat so I didn't want her making a mistake and rewarding herself. This was the first time in public we have ever practiced something like that. We do some of the same at home with her food dish and it's no problem. I think next week I'll challenge ourselves and walk over the kibble or put her on the side closest to the kibble.

Then we loose leash heeled around the entire store, this time Ripley lead the way. I've been really working on keeping my hand on my left hip instead of in front on my stomach to help her from forging and wrapping around my body and really reinforce a better heel position. I was so proud of her!! She heeled the entire way on the flat and maintained a lot of eye contact!

Finished up class with long distance sit, down, stand stays and recalls, then more heeling around the store. Ripley did very well but told me we needed a little more work on long distance stays around men. There were two men talking in the aisle next to her, only about 3ft away, she could hear and smell them and was definitely feeling the pressure from worrying about them so once or twice popped up from a sit stay and thankfully slowly walked towards me. That's fine, men are really distracting for her so I reset her and asked a little less duration then heavily praised and moved her to the other side to give her a chance to work on long duration.

After class Ripley and I did some solo training at Lowe's! We were waiting for our assistant at the cash register as she was helping another customer. Made a great opportunity for a down stay! Loose leash heeling is only getting better and better. She walked the entire store at my side. It's wonderful to hear strangers take the time to compliment us at how well behaved she is. Told them thank you and that it takes a lot of work!!!

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Then we unfortunately ran into an out of control large dog pulling it's owner on the end of its leash and barking at everything in sight. We were still waiting at check out when they popped around the corner and went by us, so no time to react to move away. I body blocked and was able to get her attention back to me. She was a good girl and stayed fairly controlled and in her down stay but you could tell it was so hard for her. She calmed down fairly quickly once they passed with a few disgruntled noises under her breath. 😤 Shes an excellent girl around dogs in shows and class etc. pays them NO mind. She really really dislikes out of control dogs and their entire vibe however and wants to correct them for their poor behavior. I can't blame her 😅 but shes learning that I have it under control. Apparently her momma (dog momma 😁) and granddam on her mommas side are exactly the same, so now I know where she gets her spicy dominant 'tude from.

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Whew, sorry for the long post but I always enjoy reading others experiences in training; discussing our successes and being honest and open on things we need to work on more, so I hope maybe we will have a few others chime too!
 
You two do the most terrific work! I DO need to do more of this, lots more of this! Wish my instructor had made us meet at public places when we did our CGC/CGCA training. Sounds like you've got great support all around. Maybe we should make a challenge out of this thread? Photos with stories about being in public places - both being good and ahem, needing improvement? LOL.
 
Sounds like shes doing great! I've been unable to find a good trainer here so mostly do my own training. The one guy I hired a year ago was completely unreliable. Always had some excuse why he couldn't make it for our scheduled sessions(I paid in advance...my mistake) we had 2 sessions left and I kept texting him but got no response until I texted and said he owed me $250.00 for the sessions. He texted me back and accused me of threatening him. Anyway I'm getting off topic. My question is how do I get Rose to be more engaged when on heel? She walks by my side and sits when I stop, doesn't pull but very little eye contact unless she knows I have treats
 
The one guy I hired a year ago was completely unreliable. Always had some excuse why he couldn't make it for our scheduled sessions
That sounds like an awful experience! Good trainers are hard to find in smaller towns. I have free "lessons" from our local kennel club, people just sharing what they've excelled in, and they're great & helpful, but not outstanding instructors - and about 90% positive only, frowning at the prong and clutching pearls at the e-collar. The one that's a great teacher is a behaviorist and teaches people with problem/reactive dogs, getting them back in line & learning to listen and be good on leash, but she's never trialed & can't help me fine tune my obedience. She loves watching us work and lets me come to any of her group classes so I can use them as distractions while I do my own thing. I started out wrong and now trying to do the focused heeling, not even caring about the exaggerated look, just something that is not scanning the horizon for potential trouble. @Rits gave me a link to someone online long time ago and it looked promising, but I didn't pursue it at the time. Dumb me. I've just been doing luring/shaping via Dave Kroyer - he has about 500 videos, mostly working dog training, but lots and lots of basics and he has series on Nose Work, Tracking, and so much of his obedience goes for IGP or AKC or just basic good training. For $10/month you can watch as many as you want and stay with it for 1 month or forever. Again, wish I'd known about this when raising this puppy - he starts with no leash so they never learn to pull.

There is so much I wish I'd known when Asha was a puppy to start her off heeling heads up. It can still be done, but there's all the Un-doing other habits that is slowing me down. If you are wanting to do a CGC or CGCA, there is no need for it - they don't judge on that at ALL, it's pass or fail and if Rose sticks with you in a well behaved manner, that's all that matters. If you want to do AKC obedience or anything like that, it helps for the dog to be focused.
 
My question is how do I get Rose to be more engaged when on heel? She walks by my side and sits when I stop, doesn't pull but very little eye contact unless she knows I have treats
Ive used "Push Heeling" with Janice Gunn and Heelers Toolbox with Forrest Micke. Both can be found on leerburg and will be in your library forever. Janice has a YouTube account and posts snippets for free and you can use a lot of that to your advantage! Otherwise you can get everything for like $50 which is honestly a great deal considering in person trainers are $$$ that.

I need to go back and rewatch them both to clean her up soon but I started with teaching push heeling and giving her a target to focus on (see YouTube video). Right now I have been HEAVILY rewarding any and every eye contact. In the beginning it started with split second looks at me. This requires a lot of treats so having a hungry dog and using their kibble is great. Keep it short and sweet. Get some good split second eye contacts then say "break" to release her from heel then I have her chase my hand to get her food "get it!!" add in some spins left and right, some other tricks and then signal to fall right back into heeling with the hand on the hip. You can lure with the treat to help and then reward when they get into position. Eventually build on the duration of that by with holding the treat for two to three steps worth of eye contact. Make it a game. Keep it short and sweet with play and movement in between "sessions" As she gets better you can raise the bar and ask for longer duration. In the beginning you will literally only be taking one or two steps.

Another tip I ran across somewhere that helped me greatly is, teach your dog that they are in control of getting the food. What this means is when they offer desired behaviors, treat every time. In a new place and they are whining and over excited. Just stand there and wait. They sit? Even if whining... give marker word, "Yes!" And treat. Eventually the requirements bar will be higher and she must relax with no whining but she learns that she and her actions releases the treat. I don't give treats "just because" she always has to offer me something. A lot of the time I do not tell her what to do. I want her to be in control of her actions. This has helped me tremendously in getting a dog that WANTS to give you good behaviors and be engaged with you because she's thinking "What can I do to make you give me that"







Maybe we should make a challenge out of this thread? Photos with stories about being in public places - both being good and ahem, needing improvement? LOL.
Yes!!! That's what I was hoping for when making this thread! Id love to see it all! Talk about our wins and challenges training in public. It also helps me chew on things Ripley and I could work on too. Very fun stuff!
 
You guys are doing such a great job with her and advancing so nicely.
That's what I was hoping for when making this thread! Id love to see it all! Talk about our wins and challenges training in public.
We were supposed to train at Lowe's this week but she came in heat and I'm not sure that would be the best time to start her in a public place for the first time.
We've trained out in the parking lot there but not inside yet.
 
You guys are doing such a great job with her and advancing so nicely.

We were supposed to train at Lowe's this week but she came in heat and I'm not sure that would be the best time to start her in a public place for the first time.
We've trained out in the parking lot there but not inside yet.
Good idea to hold off. Ripley was in heat last month which worked out great since we were on break from agility for the holidays. So glad to hear y'all are getting out there! I can't wait to hear how it goes and watch your progress with Phoebe!
 
We were supposed to train at Lowe's this week but she came in heat and I'm not sure that would be the best time to start her in a public place for the first time.
We've trained out in the parking lot there but not inside yet.
If you are just getting started & don't want to take her indoors while in heat, you could continue with the parking lots or a public park to just walk around. I have taken Asha everywhere while in heat. She wore pants at Rally & Agility classes, a "pack walk" downtown with the behaviorist trainer (6 people & dogs), and a park setting class with the behaviorist & her clients and at the IGP club. She doesn't display any weird behavior & I continued my stance on dogs not meeting & greeting, as I don't ever allow that anyway. I don't take her into stores while in heat though, not because of behavior, just don't want to deal with the pants & comments in public...

Yes!!! That's what I was hoping for when making this thread! Id love to see it all! Talk about our wins and challenges training in public. It also helps me chew on things Ripley and I could work on too. Very fun stuff!
So, any guidelines on our photos/videos? Any public place? Can be meandering around or actually training? I'm assuming dog classes don't count. I only have a very few stores in my town that allow dogs, but several parks stay busy with strangers...
 
So, any guidelines on our photos/videos? Any public place? Can be meandering around or actually training? I'm assuming dog classes don't count. I only have a very few stores in my town that allow dogs, but several parks stay busy with strangers...
I'd say anything that's a positive towards your dog's training, behaving and existing in the public eye in a positive light! Heeling on a loose leash in public, figures 8s around some lights posts, sit stays outside a store entrance, reactivity progress etc. If your dog gets overly excited in new locations or has reactivity, showing calming signals while existing is an ok example. As long as we are rewarding the calm behaviors when we see them. Even better to be working on other training in public too (ie: proofing our at home training now in public with different distractions and new environments) Stores, parks, parking lots, sidewalks in front of stores (this doesn't have to be a dog friendly store), outside a dog park etc! So many opportunities besides dog friendly stores!

Speaking of dog friendly stores... Joann fabrics has sort of been a goal of mine to go into but I never have before because I always felt that was a little too risky with a young puppy. I think Ripley is almost there to be able to go there now 🤞 Unfortunately most of our dog friendly stores are a bit of a drive so we make the best of it when we go into town next and it's a whole adventure, lol. Dog training and getting groceries all in one day/trip.

I think class settings would be better suited for the obedience chat thread 😁
 
I don't take her into stores while in heat though, not because of behavior, just don't want to deal with the pants & comments in public...
Lol same. A doberman already draws plenty of attention without the panties 🤣... I don't think I can go one trip in public without someone talking to us. I always went to class as long as they were ok with it when she was in heat and haven't noticed much of a difference either when it comes to training but I imagine there are some moods in play there. She's a lot more vocal in heat that's for sure. I wish it weren't so 🙄
 
you could continue with the parking lots or a public park to just walk around
Except this human isn't going to spend an hour outside training with a -40° wind-chill. LOL
Joann fabrics has sort of been a goal of mine to go into but I never have before because
I didn't know they were dog friendly anywhere and I'm pretty sure this one isn't.
Hobby Lobby apparently allows them but they must be very well trained so they aren't knocking fragile stuff off the shelves.
 
Hobby Lobby apparently allows them but they must be very well trained so they aren't knocking fragile stuff off the shelves.
That's another one I'm shocked about, even more so than Joann, with all the fragile stuff up front!


Except this human isn't going to spend an hour outside training with a -40° wind-chill. LOL
Lol! Certainly not! Maybe a nicer day for as long as they are outside in the yard playing around? You would be surprised how useful even 10 minutes can be! Menards doesn't let pets inside here (I wish they did because it's better than Lowes!) but I really wanted to work Ripley one night and we had her with us. So I bundled up and ran outside to the store front and did some heeling while my husband was inside. I think it was creeping to single digits with a nice windy breeze. Let's just say we kept it very short and sweet lol! It's good in a way because it forces you to find that good note to quickly end on and not push it "just one more time"
 
Oh this is why our Joann doesn't allow pets. It's in a mall that doesn't allow pets and their exterior doors (that used to be an entrance) is for emergency use only.
"Please note that stores located within a mall can allow pets, provided they have an entrance from the outside or if the mall allows pets."
 
So I bundled up and ran outside to the store front and did some heeling while my husband was inside. I think it was creeping to single digits with a nice windy breeze.
You have to be the most dedicated person on the face of the earth! Well done!
 
CGCA class today was great and challenging!! Rip has been heeling very well on the flat collar with a loose leash all throughout the store, don't even need the prong collar! I still have her wear it just in case for the other things to be able to hard correct and mean it while training 😜 Today we had the challenge of recalling with distractions. Ripley recalled through big wads of meatballs on the floor directly in her path but tried to nab the lonesome toy literally on the fly as she ran over it without stopping. 😆 She ran right to me though and immediately dropped it as soon as she picked it up because I yelled at her to leave it all in the same span lol. She ran right over it the second time no problem like a good girl though! I just had to break out my over the top squeaky voice lol. I was most impressed with her zero to low reaction to watching the other dogs being recalled with high pitched voices and high energy. That's usually pretty overstimulating for her. She's really coming along as a young dog!

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Hobby Lobby apparently allows them but they must be very well trained so they aren't knocking fragile stuff off the shelves.
Speaking of dog friendly stores... Joann fabrics has sort of been a goal of mine to go into but I never have before because I always felt that was a little too risky with a young puppy. I think Ripley is almost there to be able to go there now 🤞

We did it! Went into Hobby Lobby to pick up some things for my business. She was soo over it by then and ready to go home to take a nap 😅 She was a great Dobe ambassador though and received nice compliments from the store manager about how well behaved she was.

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Anyone else try to go out the past few weeks in public to work on training?
 
Wow she's doing fantastic!
Anyone else try to go out the past few weeks in public to work on training?
Not with the little red head being in heat. We're going to try when she's done though.
 
Anyone else try to go out the past few weeks in public to work on training?
I didn't go to a new venue :bag: and I don't have photos of what we did, but I'm working harder on distractions at the behavior class. Last week we did figure 8's around people AND their dogs (dog at sit or down next to them). Asha stayed on a loose leash 100% in that exercise. We also did the opposing circle weave. Not sure how to describe it - 3 people and their dogs walk a circle counter clockwise while the other 3 people/dogs walk the same circle at the same time clockwise. Sometimes passing on right and sometimes passing on left. Again, loose leash, no sniffing all good.
 

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