First leg in Obedience

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Thursday we did our first leg in Novice A obedience - outdoors on the grass, plentiful distractions! Asha was about as good as I could expect her to be, a little crowding and off leash a bit in front of me, especially at one point where someone had a dog out on the field next to the ring on a 20' line letting it zoom wildly. We were heeling along and the Halt came up and she was fixated on the dog in the field, so was about a foot in front of me. When I halted I kinda stomped my feet in place to get her attention and she sat but her tail was still in front of where my feet were. :rofl: Anyway, There were only 3 dogs entered. One ran out of the ring during the off-leash (not afraid, just had family or dog it wanted to go say hi to). So just 2 of us in the long sit & down and during the long down the other dog rolled in the grass and stood up. I got my Q and the blue ribbon with 187 points. So proud of my girl!!!



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Friday was about the same - but all breeds instead of just Dobermans, and one was my friend with the GSD that I train with. She needed one more Q to get her CD. There were 6 entered, 2 moved down to Beginner Novice, so that left 4. One didn't show up, one didn't pass to get to the long sit & down, so it came to the two of us doing the long sit & down like we'd done so much of at home. I was sure we'd both get our Q's and fairly certain I'd get the blue with more points because her dog walked to her on the recall and lags a bit. Well, guess what? With 15 seconds left in the long down, Asha rolled, flopped back & forth twice and stood up. 😩😬😵‍💫 NQ for me, but I was so proud of my friend and her dog! She's the behavior trainer that I talked into helping me with my training letting me use her classes as distractions for my obedience training a couple of years ago. She'd never trained for trials or competition, but saw what I was doing training for the BH and she wanted to do that too. So I showed her the ropes, she joined USCA, and got a BH last fall. So I told her about all the AKC stuff and she started doing that! With her training she's now got him titled with a BH, TDA (they did 30 tricks in one day for an evaluator!), ATT and now a CD! He's 6 years old and very laid back and lazy but will do ANYthing for her. What a great team, and I'm proud to say I've got her addicted to chasing titles. LOL.

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Sorry that you did not Q.

But have to laugh- Asha living up to her name of “Miss Independent”!

She is a beautiful Doberman!
 
I love that you color coordinated with Asha! 🥰

Like most things, it's better when a friend tags along with your hobbies. Congrats to them!
 
I love that you color coordinated with Asha!
Well, they announced that Western Wear was being encouraged to celebrate Arizonas western heritage, so I did my best. I already had black jeans and that shirt was just the color of Asha's dark points, so I had to have it. The silver buckle was a gift about 20 years ago from a dear friend that I trained horses for. I'm not a belt-buckle type of gal, so it's been in the box it came in all this time. It's actually quite beautiful, and it did make the outfit look "western". But yeah, the colors, matchy-matchy with Asha. On purpose. 😁
 
Asha’s independence makes me laugh.
But have to laugh- Asha living up to her name of “Miss Independent”!
It makes me laugh too.

What I realized a bit later, is that AKC has made this "easier" than it use to be (3 minute down, about 20 feet away, no leash), but for her, if I was that far away she would never have relaxed enough to roll. If she's on a long down with no leash and I'm even 10 feet away, she's riveted on me, probably whining even, but stays in place or creeps toward me. But relax and roll? Never.
 
With 15 seconds left in the long down, Asha rolled, flopped back & forth twice and stood up. 😩😬😵‍💫
Thats hilarious. She just needed a good back scratch. I bet if it was indoors on a rubber matting she'd never have done it. Hey, if thats the worst, y'all will have your title in no time. Just to think how far you two have come!!! You just attended an AKC trial, were in a ring, at a big venue. Asha didn't explosive bark, and she worked with you! I'm so happy for you two!! Love the friendship you made along the way and now you have someone hooked in title chasing too to practice with. The dream! You look great too!
 
So it looks like you weren't alone that weekend... Man something smelly must've been in that grass or it felt really good! 😂

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Too bad you weren't able to meet up with Brandy Billington of Iconic Dobermans. She had the best veteran there one of the days and does bitey stuff with her crew.
 
LOL - That's the dog that rolled on Thursday and was the only dog in with me when my dog did the perfect down stay.

Then Friday ASHA did the same thing and left my friend and her GSD to win. :rofl: Gotta laugh about it all now.

I did talk to Brandy on the Wednesday of the WAE - I actually met her 5 years ago when I began my search for a puppy - I have pictures of her & Riddick, maybe 2019? I did see him in the Veterans class, he still looks good.
 
Thursday we did our first leg in Novice A obedience - outdoors on the grass, plentiful distractions! Asha was about as good as I could expect her to be, a little crowding and off leash a bit in front of me, especially at one point where someone had a dog out on the field next to the ring on a 20' line letting it zoom wildly. We were heeling along and the Halt came up and she was fixated on the dog in the field, so was about a foot in front of me. When I halted I kinda stomped my feet in place to get her attention and she sat but her tail was still in front of where my feet were. :rofl: Anyway, There were only 3 dogs entered. One ran out of the ring during the off-leash (not afraid, just had family or dog it wanted to go say hi to). So just 2 of us in the long sit & down and during the long down the other dog rolled in the grass and stood up. I got my Q and the blue ribbon with 187 points. So proud of my girl!!!



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Friday was about the same - but all breeds instead of just Dobermans, and one was my friend with the GSD that I train with. She needed one more Q to get her CD. There were 6 entered, 2 moved down to Beginner Novice, so that left 4. One didn't show up, one didn't pass to get to the long sit & down, so it came to the two of us doing the long sit & down like we'd done so much of at home. I was sure we'd both get our Q's and fairly certain I'd get the blue with more points because her dog walked to her on the recall and lags a bit. Well, guess what? With 15 seconds left in the long down, Asha rolled, flopped back & forth twice and stood up. 😩😬😵‍💫 NQ for me, but I was so proud of my friend and her dog! She's the behavior trainer that I talked into helping me with my training letting me use her classes as distractions for my obedience training a couple of years ago. She'd never trained for trials or competition, but saw what I was doing training for the BH and she wanted to do that too. So I showed her the ropes, she joined USCA, and got a BH last fall. So I told her about all the AKC stuff and she started doing that! With her training she's now got him titled with a BH, TDA (they did 30 tricks in one day for an evaluator!), ATT and now a CD! He's 6 years old and very laid back and lazy but will do ANYthing for her. What a great team, and I'm proud to say I've got her addicted to chasing titles. LOL.

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I am sorry if you have already posted this somewhere…

In Obedience Novice A, can you give a quick synopsis of the requirements to Q?

From the start of the day:
-are you given a time to report to the starting line?
-are there dogs all over the place?
-do you wait in line like FastCAT?
-it is a continuous movement drill of sit, heel, sit/stay, recall, long down stay, recall?
-can you continuously coach your dog as in during heel she loses focus on you and you say Asha focus on me and heel.
-in long sit from distance, can you coach your dog by encouraging her? Good job Asha…stay….good job Asha…stay…as you are walking away to your next point.
-during recall, what if she overshoots you 5ft and circles around to heel on left.
-do they purposely use strangers to try and distract Asha?
-how long is the entire drill? 5mins?
-what if she is in a long sit and gets bored and goes into a down but stays in same place?

I think maybe Ragnar would have had a chance, I think I would need to sharpen Freyja’s focus. She is a joyous goof at heart.

Great job on a great weekend.
 
-are you given a time to report to the starting line?
approximate time, but I found out that things can change in a hurry. This was a big show & several were showing their ob dog in conformation and had ring conflicts etc etc.

are there dogs all over the place?
You & your dog are the only ones in the ring until the last exercise. Then all the dogs with passing scores thus far will come into the ring for the long sit and long down together (about 6' apart and at the end of a 6' leash)
do you wait in line like FastCAT?
There weren't that many in my class. 3 in one and 6 in the other. I thought being a big show there might be more, but nope. Maybe small local shows doing nothing but Ob and Rally will have even more?

it is a continuous movement drill of sit, heel, sit/stay, recall, long down stay, recall?
Pretty much, yeah. Heel with left turn, right turn, about turn, halt (automatic sit), sit-stay, recall to front, finish (dog goes from front to heal position), then sit-stay to go get your leash & return to dog. Also a Stand-stay, leave the dog 6' away in a stand position, judge goes and touches your dog, then you return to dog. LOL, I sweated this one for a while, but I did train Asha to watch me on a stand-stay and ignore a person coming up and touching her. Most of this is off leash.

can you continuously coach your dog as in during heel she loses focus on you and you say Asha focus on me and heel.
No. In Rally you can talk to your dog, in Obedience you are limited to one or sometimes two commands depending on the exercise. You can praise the dog between exercises, but otherwise no talking.

in long sit from distance, can you coach your dog by encouraging her? Good job Asha…stay….good job Asha…stay…as you are walking away to your next point.
The long sit, you sit the dog while in heel position, walk away 6' and turn and face your dog. No further commands or talking to your dog.

during recall, what if she overshoots you 5ft and circles around to heel on left.
Depending, you will be dinged points or NQ for not completing the exercise. I read the rules a bunch, but I still can't recall how bad it gets before things become an NQ rather than just points off.

do they purposely use strangers to try and distract Asha?
No, just you and the judge in the ring at one time. They will follow along with their clipboard, issuing verbally what you are to do: Forward, Fast, Normal, Halt, Right Turn etc. These things you do without any commands to the dog. Example: You'll be heeling along the judge says halt so you come to a halt and the dog halts with you and sits without you saying anything.

how long is the entire drill? 5mins?

about that, yeah.

what if she is in a long sit and gets bored and goes into a down but stays in same place?

NQ, Exercise not done correctly.
I think maybe Ragnar would have had a chance, I think I would need to sharpen Freyja’s focus. She is a joyous goof at heart.

Ragnar would have aced it. I'm betting Freyja would too. Asha is obedient, but it really isn't her favorite thing and it shows. She loves, loves, loves to do independent work (Nose work, the obstacles that I taught her in that SAR work last year, finding the victim), all that stuff she could do as fast as she wanted and she loved it. This stuff, not so much. Sigh.

Great job on a great weekend.
Thanks, it really was fun, I try to keep challenges up for us to keep me from slacking. :rofl:
 
Thank you for taking the time to explain all that. For an owner and Doberman, very demanding indeed. A lot of work to be put in, that’s for sure.

What do you think is more difficult, the CGC or the Obedience A?

Is the an Obedience B?
 
What do you think is more difficult, the CGC or the Obedience A?

Is the an Obedience B?
CGC is a piece of cake for you & Freyja. You could do it tomorrow, I'm pretty sure. Although we sorely need an update on your work & play with Freyja these days. I'm hoping she's out of the woods and getting back to normal?

Obedience Novice A only differs from Novice B in that the handler and dog have never titled in it before. In Novice B, the handler has done it before but the dog has not. (So you would be a Novice A with Freyja) If I complete the title with Asha and for some reason, came along with another dog, then I would have to enter Novice B. The dog hasn't done it before but I have, so that gives me a little advantage over the total newbies. The course for both classes is exactly the same, because the dogs are at the same level.

And yes, the obedience advances, adding jumps and retrieves and scent discrimination in higher levels!
 
I'm pretty sure you could accomplish CGC and Novice Obedience, Don. The biggest thing for getting ready besides the skills is fading out talking, fading out treats, while increasing and building desire to work in all environments. Proofing essentially because anything could happen outside the ring and inside that is out of your control. The rules very clearly go over what is allowed and what each exercise looks for, what is an NQ and what is simply some points off. 170 / 200 is a passing score. Worth a read!

Beginner Novice is another option and good way to get your feet wet. All on leash, the heeling pattern isn't called out, they are on signs. No group sit/down stays. You are allowed two words of encouragement during the heeling portion. One during the heeling pattern and one during the figure 8.

Obedience regs and rules:
 
@Ddski5 - in addition to the excellent advice to read the rules, there's this conversation that you may remember with kind of a visual of the pattern. The pattern can be whatever the judge wants it to be as long as it includes each thing.


If your dog wants to recall straight to heel position you'll need to teach front from a stand-still first. Then recall from just a few feet away to front, then further away etc until you get a full on recall to front. THEN add "heel" command for her to go from front to finish. Much cleaner finishes for the go-around than the flip finish, but I didn't listen to that good advice. 🙄

The absolutely best way to learn all this is if you have an obedience class offered somewhere, especially with a group so Freyja gets accustomed to the feel of ring atmosphere. This is the bane of my existence - we get it done, but it would be awesome to have a great coach. Michelle and I have been winging it and help each other, but she'd never done it before either.

If you want to give this a try, @Rits and @obbanner were a great help to me, answering and discussing in this thread:

 

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