Barn Hunt Chat

Should I use the same phrase for barn hunt or switch it up?

I personally use different commands for 3 different sports I do that require their nose. Especially since tracking in IGP is pretty obedient driven where they have to have a rhythm and have to keep their nose on the ground. The others, they are allowed to air scent, so I want different words because of the different rules for my dog.

Nosework/scentwork: "search!"
Barnhunt: "find the RAT!" (if I say rat she immediately goes bananas lol)
Tracking: "track!"
 
Just double checking this before I enter. I’m able to enter him in instinct (once) and novice twice on the same day? If so I will enter all since we’ll be there anyways.IMG_4246.webp
 
Yes! You do NOT need a Q in instinct to compete in novice.

From the rule book: dogs may enter this class (instinct!) and Novice Class A in the same trial. Dogs may continue to enter this class (instinct) until the Novice A title (RATN) is attained... An instinct pass is not required to enter Novice A.

Git'it!
 
Yes! You do NOT need a Q in instinct to compete in novice.

From the rule book: dogs may enter this class (instinct!) and Novice Class A in the same trial. Dogs may continue to enter this class (instinct) until the Novice A title (RATN) is attained... An instinct pass is not required to enter Novice A.

Git'it!
Awesome, thank you!
 
We had our first barn hunt lesson today! It was super fun! The trainer started out by letting him sniff the rat while it was in a cage, then hid that in an easy spot for him to find. After that she showed him a rat in the tube, let him sniff it while in her hands then while it was on the ground, then hide that a few times. I thought he would have some trouble with the tunnel and I was right. She put the rat on the other end, slightly into the tunnel, to motivate him but he didn’t want to go through. We tried having one person on each end of the tunnel to call him through it, but he went around the tunnel instead lol. I’m going to build a similar sized tunnel at home for him to practice with! I think the issue is the height. He hasn’t gone through one that short so we’ll just need to practice and make it fun for him.

I originally planned to do this lesson on the way to our camping trip (it’s about 1/2 way between my house and there) but we rescheduled the trip due to rain. I guess it worked out better though because now I can do another lesson on Tuesday 😂.


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Eyes on the prize 😂
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He's got that natural ability and hunt drive, you can tell! He's gonna be so fun to trial!!
Agree with @Rits - he looks like he'll be a natural! I'll bet he'll get that tunnel in no time!
I always suspected he’d enjoy it so I’m glad I finally took him to try it out! Besides FastCat, I’d say any scent related sports are his favorite.

We will do another lesson on Tuesday and the trial is next Friday (the 20th). I’m hoping to get him comfortable with the tunnel by then, but no big deal if he doesn’t Q because of it. He’ll have a blast either way! Plus the trial is the same distance away as the training, so we will just look at it as more practice.

I forgot to mention in my initial post, the trainer prefers to start out with just the rat and we’ll practice with a tube of litter out next time. I was also happy that he never tried to mark on the hay 😂
 
Firstly, excuse me looking and sounding like a crazy person 😂 We did some training with his tunnel and I wanted to keep him as excited as I could! He seemed more “into it” so I had him go through back to back but kept the session really short, only about 2 minutes total. This tunnel is bigger than the barn hunt tunnel (which I’ll hopefully put together this weekend). The tunnel we used is 10ft long and 23 inches tall, the barn hunt novice tunnel is 6ft long and 16 inches tall.

I’m also going to practice releasing him like I would for barn hunt and have him start out by going through the tunnel. I think this would be good and it will help get the tunneling portion out of the way.

 
I think this would be good and it will help get the tunneling portion out of the way.
Thats what I always did. Usually in novice the judges are kind and have the start box facing right at the tunnel so dogs often naturally do it first anyways. But if you make "tunnel" SUPER fun, even if he bypasses it like Ripley did at her trial even though it was RIGHT in front of her :rofl:, he should still do it easily on command.

Looks like he's doing great! Only saw a little hesitation on one of them. Is he more toy motivated over food? A good game of tug or toss the ball for going through the tunnel. That is a possibility for reward to get a little more drive out of him.
 
But if you make "tunnel" SUPER fun, even if he bypasses it like Ripley did at her trial even though it was RIGHT in front of her :rofl:, he should still do it easily on command.
That’s what I’m hoping for! 🤞🏻
Is he more toy motivated over food? A good game of tug or toss the ball for going through the tunnel. That is a possibility for reward to get a little more drive out of him.
I would say food, but it depends on the toy. If it’s a new toy then he’s more excited about it but he also has a harder time with impulse control. I try to play structured games with reward toys so he knows he actually has to work for it (and not be crazy/turn his brain off) like he does for food lol.
I love how us trying to keep the enthusiasm and excitement level high has us out of breath more than them :rofl::rofl:
For real! And it doesn’t help that my heart rate is already high today 😂
 
If it’s a new toy then he’s more excited about it but he also has a harder time with impulse control. I try to play structured games with reward toys so he knows he actually has to work for it (and not be crazy/turn his brain off)
Impulse control was one of the hardest things I went through with my dog, but really worth it! Her brain went spinning out of control when I tried to switch from food to toy... You can start very simply with whatever toy really excites him and do simple things he knows exactly what to do: sits, fronts, down or stays reward with a click and toy toss. Reset & repeat. Clickers have become a favorite marker for me, I've found it enhances x 100 the exact goal the dog knows will bring the reward. So basically if the sit produces a click and the reward is 5 seconds later, they learn it's the SIT that brings the reward, not the 5 second waiting. This in turn brings enthusiasm to DO the sit as soon as they hear you say it (or when heeling & stop, they sit instantly w/out the spoken word. So same with tunnel. Hope this makes sense. He looks great in the tunnel video! I didn't have the sound on, so my apologies if you are already using the clicker!
 
We went to the trial this morning! Remy qualified in instinct but did not in novice. In instinct I probably could have called “rat” a bit sooner, but since that was the only tube he went to I wanted to wait and see if he’d move to another. I expected him not to Q in novice because of the tunnel, but that actually wasn’t the issue. By the time we went in for novice they said 4 dogs had already peed in the ring. I was a little nervous after hearing that because I know he can get “stuck” on that scent and I didn’t want him to mark over it either… When I released him he took off quick and did a lap around the ring, landing right where the pee scent was. I knew right away that had to be the spot because it was on the fence line with just a few loose pieces of hay there, obviously no rat tube. He was frozen there for awhile and starting foaming from the mouth lol. Eventually I was able to call him off, but he wasn’t focused and ran around a little bit before ending up there again. We ran out of time and then he ended up marking there. This wasn’t an issue at all in his lesson, so I’m hoping we can work past it and it doesn’t become a habit! We still had a great day and I’m excited to do more barn hunt training with him!

As for the tunneling, we have been working for a few minutes everyday and are making progress! I was going to make the barn hunt sized tunnel with plywood, but then thought about needing to store that somewhere and decided to buy a pop-up tunnel that had the same dimensions lol. With the larger tunnel he will go through with a hand motion (similar to agility), but not quite there yet with the small tunnel. Initially he would only go through the smaller one if I threw a toy or treat in, now he will do it if someone calls him through the other side. Hopefully with more practice he’ll go in on his own/with me saying “tunnel”.
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Waiting for his turn in the “blind”. I used the prong to walk him out, then when we got to the gate took it off and used the slip to release/catch him. IMG_1860.webp
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He always seems to start off with the zoomies then gets to work lol.
 
Hey, that is a beautiful ribbon and getting in to the ring is a step a lot of people don't ever get to so great success!

He IS excited in the video but it does seem like he gets right to work once he gets a quick little shake out!

Bummer about the other dogs marking and getting him distracted. More experience will hopefully help him move on more quickly from stuff like that.
 
We went to the trial this morning! Remy qualified in instinct but did not in novice.
YAY! Congrats on the RATI title!!! So proud of you guys. :D He did amazing, and I'm impressed with how quickly he got to work – you can see him do a bit of a head whip after he passed the cradle, caught the scent, and realized he had a job to do.
In instinct I probably could have called “rat” a bit sooner, but since that was the only tube he went to I wanted to wait and see if he’d move to another.
You did a great job making a call when you felt confident he'd assessed everything!
I expected him not to Q in novice because of the tunnel, but that actually wasn’t the issue. By the time we went in for novice they said 4 dogs had already peed in the ring. I was a little nervous after hearing that because I know he can get “stuck” on that scent and I didn’t want him to mark over it either… When I released him he took off quick and did a lap around the ring, landing right where the pee scent was. I knew right away that had to be the spot because it was on the fence line with just a few loose pieces of hay there, obviously no rat tube. He was frozen there for awhile and starting foaming from the mouth lol. Eventually I was able to call him off, but he wasn’t focused and ran around a little bit before ending up there again. We ran out of time and then he ended up marking there. This wasn’t an issue at all in his lesson, so I’m hoping we can work past it and it doesn’t become a habit! We still had a great day and I’m excited to do more barn hunt training with him!
Oof, such a bummer when others dogs mark before your turn, but it happens. All you can do is discourage it, and he'll learn with experience that the ring isn't a potty zone. If I see our Remy sizing up an area that I know doesn't have a rat there (which presumably another dog has marked in), I'll immediately say "No!" and then redirect him with his search cue ("seek!") – which it sounds like you did. In practice, if he marks, just take him right out of the ring as soon as he does it so that he knows the fun is over if he pees.
As for the tunneling, we have been working for a few minutes everyday and are making progress! I was going to make the barn hunt sized tunnel with plywood, but then thought about needing to store that somewhere and decided to buy a pop-up tunnel that had the same dimensions lol. With the larger tunnel he will go through with a hand motion (similar to agility), but not quite there yet with the small tunnel. Initially he would only go through the smaller one if I threw a toy or treat in, now he will do it if someone calls him through the other side. Hopefully with more practice he’ll go in on his own/with me saying “tunnel”.
That's awesome! The 2-string (lower height) tunnels are tough. I've only been to trials with 3-string tunnels, but Remy got to practice on a 2-string master tunnel last weekend, and he actually managed to turn around inside it and came back out the way he went in, even though I was calling him from the other side. I guess he decided it was too dark and scary to crawl through once he got past the first corner lol. So we'll be practicing this as well.
Waiting for his turn in the “blind”. I used the prong to walk him out, then when we got to the gate took it off and used the slip to release/catch him.
This is exactly what I do, that way you don't accidentally have the prong fall into the ring and get NQ'ed.
 
Bummer about the other dogs marking and getting him distracted. More experience will hopefully help him move on more quickly from stuff like that.
I’m hoping next time he’ll be further up on the list so there is less chance of other dogs having peed. I think he was the 10th to go for novice. Either way, we’ll work more on him ignoring that odor!
YAY! Congrats on the RATI title!!! So proud of you guys. :D He did amazing, and I'm impressed with how quickly he got to work – you can see him do a bit of a head whip after he passed the cradle, caught the scent, and realized he had a job to do.
Hey, that is a beautiful ribbon and getting in to the ring is a step a lot of people don't ever get to so great success!
He IS excited in the video but it does seem like he gets right to work once he gets a quick little shake out!
Thanks guys! Starting out quick and excitedly seems to be his style lol, but I’m curious if with more experience he’ll get even more excited or go straight “to work” after I release him. If it’s anything like he is with FastCat, he’ll be more amped up each time. It’s fun to watch him catch the scent, he does the same with scent work and whips right around. I love that because it gives me a clear sign!
You did a great job making a call when you felt confident he'd assessed everything!
Since he’s never smelt the litter tubes I was a little worried he might get distracted by that and I’d call “rat” thinking he found it. When he didn’t leave that tube I was pretty confident in his confidence lol!
If I see our Remy sizing up an area that I know doesn't have a rat there (which presumably another dog has marked in), I'll immediately say "No!" and then redirect him with his search cue ("seek!") – which it sounds like you did. In practice, if he marks, just take him right out of the ring as soon as he does it so that he knows the fun is over if he pees.
He took awhile for me to call him off. He turns his brain off for pee smells. 🤦🏼‍♀️I think next time if I’m unable to call him off after a few seconds I’ll just excuse him. I probably should have done that today but since he was there so long and hadn’t marked yet, I wasn’t expecting him to do it. He also will only mark if another dog has gone there, so it would be nice to run before that happens lol.
 
Congratulations!!! You and Remy will learn with each experience, and I know you must be bummed about the pee, but you'll get there. Pretty soon you'll be adding his name & titles to your signature here 😜
 

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