[fci] Dobermann Breed Standard Changes On 1st Of January 2015

[ZeldaRules]

DISGUSTING the hold that radical AR freaks have in the dog world. God didn't create the Doberman, MAN did.
I don't know of ONE cropped and docked Doberman that is depressed and feels tortured from the procedure.

 

[Dobs4ever]

Unfortunately AKC is already ON their ban wagon and any club that opens it standard has fallen and been forced to add the description of the flopped ear and long tail. AVMA is on their side and has for the most part brainwashed the new vets into the AR agenda - that c/d is wrong. They tried to pass a stance against c/d last year and it failed. Why should anyone tell a vet who has paid hundreds of thousand of dollars for schoold, training and licensing that they can't do a minor surgery that they are fully trained to perform??? Now that is not to say by any means that they are trained to crop but I can do docking myself if I choose. i choose to have the vet do it because it gives him and opportunity to check the puppies and see that all is going well.

For a c/d breed to be presented undone is just down right unAmerican. I am mainly speaking of the show ring as that is were the best of the best should be and they should darn well represent the standard right down to the last dotted i.

Right now DPCA is our only hope. We submitted our standard to AKC and they aproved it years ago. So now we fight daily that our standard remain closed and never be opened because we see what has happened to every single other country who opened its standard.

 

[iceman]

I would have thought this news would generate more buzz.. So far Google has not indexed any other references to this news outside of this thread..


I believe it was Announced live at the IDC Sieger show?

You will hear the buzz soon..At the time i posted this news (only few hours after it was announced) not even the people participating with their dogs at the show had heard about it..

Yes the decision was announced at the annual congress this year..
Every year one day before the IDC show, they hold a congress participated only by the representatives of the member clubs of IDC.
At this congress rules & changes are announced to everyone present..

and this year the date for this breed standard change was announced...

we knew for the past 3-4 years that this change will happen,just didnt know the date...now we do.

 

[MyBuddy]

Well, I think it sucks! And thats putting it mildly.

Are they gonna stop cropping/docking the poodle? the cocker? the great dane? the weinaraner? on and on and on.... just pisses me off.

 

[ZeldaRules]

You will hear the buzz soon..At the time i posted this news (only few hours after it was announced) not even the people participating with their dogs at the show had heard about it..

Yes the decision was announced at the annual congress this year..
Every year one day before the IDC show, they hold a congress participated only by the representatives of the member clubs of IDC.
At this congress rules & changes are announced to everyone present..

and this year the date for this breed standard change was announced...

we knew for the past 3-4 years that this change will happen,just didnt know the date...now we do.

Were there cheers of victory, a mixed response, or disdain when it was revealed at the congress?

 

[Sandra Pohl]

It appears the ADA(Amer Doberman Assoc.) is also a memeber of the IDC and according to the IDC rules, each country has 2 votes. I am not sure where AKC fits into all this?

 

[Dobs4ever]

Right now AKC has not forced any club to change it's standard unless the club is dumb enough to open it and then they ahve to submit it to AKC for approval. THAT is when AKC can make them change it. I have tried to sound the alarm for several years and people felt it was not a big problem well now it is.

 

[Sandra Pohl]

What happens if teh ADA and the UDC remain members fo the IDC? Is that tacit acceptance of the change and does that change their standards.

 

[Dobs4ever]

UDC uses the AKC standard - The only way it would affect UDC is for members who want to go compete over they - Personally I would say shove it.
If we do not stand up for our rights we loose them. But in this case we will loose this breed. There will be nothing distinctive about its looks and fare more are attracted by that noble look way before they larn what an awesome breed it is.

 

[feisty_jen]

I hope it does 't carry over to the us. I know in cocker's we are allowed to show docked or not docked.

 

[ZeldaRules]

Prime has a message for the chaps across the pond...

"Don't tread on me"

 

[Dobs4ever]

You GO PRIME - man of the hour!!!

 

[Dobs4ever]

I hope it does 't carry over to the us. I know in cocker's we are allowed to show docked or not docked.

Unfortunatley that is how the loss of the right begins. Whether a cropped and docked or just a docked breed when it's standard is change to accomodate people who for the most part could care less about the standard it has proven the kiss of death. A standard must not be compromised or the breed is lost.

 

[feisty_jen]

Unfortunatley that is how the loss of the right begins. Whether a cropped and docked or just a docked breed when it's standard is change to accomodate people who for the most part could care less about the standard it has proven the kiss of death. A standard must not be compromised or the breed is lost.

I believe it was open due to letting imported dogs, that can't show unless left natural,work on getting their American Championship. If they import to show here and docked then the international career is limited .

 

[ZeldaRules]

Ps come and take it

 

[FredC]

Because I still can.. :/

 

[DocReverto]

Ill be honest here, but not because I want to.

Eventually cropping will be illegal here. We all know it, and its a loosing battle we are fighting.
AR groups have successfully made everyone call animal abuse without due diligence.
The simple fact is that there are more people who are anti-crop then pro crop.
The DPCA and AKC will fight hard for us, no doubt about it. Ultimately it won't matter if it is state law.

I will fight it as much as I can, but unfortunately our politicians listen to lobbyists, and what that mass public perceives. The AKC is not powerful enough to deter politicians. Nor is the DPCA.

I highly doubt docking will ever be illegal. To many breeds dock, and to many people understand the importance of docking (yet somehow their thick skulls can't understand cropping)

It will be a very sad day when it does happen, but ill still love my future dogs all the same.
I wish it were not true, but unless something fundamentally changes we are fighting uphill in the rain.


Education may work for some, but the mass majority of people are not interested in hearing facts on some lie they have surrounded themselves with.

 

[iceman]

Trying to see the positive side of this breed standard change and finally i came up with one..

At least we will be able to see how many dobermann people actually love the breed for its superior character and not for the looks...

 

[adhahn]

Trying to see the positive side of this breed standard change and finally i came up with one..

At least we will be able to see how many dobermann people actually love the breed for its superior character and not for the looks...

For this to be the case, the breed would have to actually have a superior character. I've enjoyed my Dobermann, but while his character can compete with German Shepherd Dogs, it has not proven to be superior to a good GSD. In some respects one could state that the character is lacking when compared to a GSD, Malinios or Dutch Shepherd.

When comparing a GSD and Dobermann of equal character, the Dobermann's cropped and docked look makes him more appealing to some of us. If you take away cropping and docking, why bother with the Dobermann breed when it is so much easier to find a good GSD?

 

[iceman]

For this to be the case, the breed would have to actually have a superior character. I've enjoyed my Dobermann, but while his character can compete with German Shepherd Dogs, it has not proven to be superior to a good GSD. In some respects one could state that the character is lacking when compared to a GSD, Malinios or Dutch Shepherd.

When comparing a GSD and Dobermann of equal character, the Dobermann's cropped and docked look makes him more appealing to some of us. If you take away cropping and docking, why bother with the Dobermann breed when it is so much easier to find a good GSD?

Ahaaaa...obviously we are not on the same page...seems like you are in the category of those who want a dobermann just for the looks and not for what they really are.

When i say superrior character i do not mean the ability to work as a service dog..going by your theory, there are better dogs than GSD's, so whats the point of getting a GSD when you can get a Belgian Mallinois??



............to be frank,i dont think the breed will miss the people of your category!!! (no disrespect intended)