Justice's first Porcupine ( Graphic kinda ? )

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Justice you are so sweet and such a beauty. You mind your
Papa don't get into any DANGER ZONES, you worry me.

Stephen, I am so glad he is OK, that vet needs to take a BIG FAT
HIKE TO NOWHERE LAND. I know you were a wreck, Justice
I know you were a wreck too. I can't tell you how glad I am
things turned out for the GOOD.:love:
 
Sure rub it in about being able to get the cool fireworks in WI. :D

I do realize that things like bears and a few other things have no problem with scaling a fence, but it will keep the wolves and really dangerous stuff out so it's a great investment. Bears are absolutely no concern to me unless it's a mother who winds up defending her cubs, or when they get in the trash. :rp:
Not to go OT, but I learned a handy little tip from our trainer about keeping them out of the trash, and that's to simply spray it with straight ammonia and it overwhelms their sense of any other smells and they leave it alone. I've been doing it for a couple years now and so far so good. KOW. LOL

It looks like Justice is living the good life there Stephen. :)
 
Whew! I had to catch up on this thread with the most recent 'attack'! Poor Justice!! Man oh Man, what a fiasco you guys went through! First the attack, then the ER gouge and then too much 'cocktail'!!! I'm so sorry for all your troubles! That's a lot of stress! For both of you! So, like the others here, here's my thoughts............first off, I really agree with Jan on the this happening again and again. I have no experience with porcupines, just some info from watching that show, Dr. Pole. http://www.facebook.com/TheIncredibleDrPol
There was a guy on there that was in with his two hunting hounds, THREE times for porcupine attacks and they made it sound like it's something they just don't learn! :scratch: So that e-collar may just be a life saver.:thumbsup: I'd keep working with it.

As for the $700 ER bill, man..............I can agree with Paint on the extra cost, but wow, that seems way over the top to me too. :scratch: That's an incredible bill. :eek:

And the 'overdose' of cocktail..........when I read your post about 'rolling him over every 30 minutes' I was like, SAY WHAT? That's insane. It's one thing to take a dog home that's groggy, but completely out???? And for hours?? That really gives me pause. I know at the time, your gut was telling you that too!

And it kinda reminds me of the story of my dad and his open heart surgery.......you know when you wake up from that, you have a tube down your throat. Well, dad was very claustrophobic and we warned the staff that if he wakes to that thing down his throat, he's gonna freak........be warned! Well, my God, we don't know if they were scared stiff from our warning or what, but he didn't wake up for several days!!! We all thought it was the end of the line for him! He did finally wake but not til everyone and his brother came in from out of state and everything to see him before the 'end'!!! They never said, but we all thought the hospital just 'overdosed' him! :cus:

I'm so glad that this fiasco is behind you and that Justice is back to his old self. I would certainly keep up the training with the e-collar (you saw how he ignored you to chase the hawk) Sometimes early training is so frustrating and such a 'fail' that you think it will never work. But when you keep at it, it finally turns the corner and it's a great success. You just have to keep at it. You can do it! :thumbsup:
 
I'm going to go ahead and separate out the part when the e-collar training starts since there's some really good info here and I don't think many people will see it or be able to go back and find it when the thread is about porcupines. LOL
 
MB, I think as time goes on and technology advances, they make newer models and update them with different numbers. Just read into the features each one has and choose which one you like... it really mostly divides down into high output/low output, then the rest of the features are what you think you need. I have the Dogtra Surestim 1900 NCP...but it is now called the Dogtra Surestim H Plus. New name, probably some different things inside...but still the same collar. And, yep. Be sure to google what one you like, I received mine for $80 cheaper than the listed price, at gundogsupply I think it was. I think the IQ would work great for Kali, it's a lot smaller than the others so you shouldn't have to worry about the weight. Although, the weight of the regular sized ones is about 8oz...so half a pound including the strap and receiver.
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Oh my! LOL!! This is what makes them so confusing. lol So many names and features! Was it you that suggested the IQ for Kali? It seems to be the one to go with. I am gonna start looking (and reading) on them in the stores too. I think because most people are looking for them for a larger dog, I thought the smaller ones wouldn't be as available, but who knows? It's like anything, you have to do the research, right? lol I remember when I was looking for a horse trailer and I was very confused as to what to buy, how big, gooseneck or bumper pull....wow. My son told me to start looking, READ, read reviews, research and it will all start to make sense and you will get a feel for what you want. I didn't jump on the first one (thank God) and I got what I wanted and am happy with it! :D Man, I hate when the kids are smarter that me! :tap:

You guys have been very helpful!
 
MyBuddy said:
Oh my! LOL!! This is what makes them so confusing. lol So many names and features! Was it you that suggested the IQ for Kali? It seems to be the one to go with. I am gonna start looking (and reading) on them in the stores too. I think because most people are looking for them for a larger dog, I thought the smaller ones wouldn't be as available, but who knows? It's like anything, you have to do the research, right? lol I remember when I was looking for a horse trailer and I was very confused as to what to buy, how big, gooseneck or bumper pull....wow. My son told me to start looking, READ, read reviews, research and it will all start to make sense and you will get a feel for what you want. I didn't jump on the first one (thank God) and I got what I wanted and am happy with it! :D Man, I hate when the kids are smarter that me! :tap:

You guys have been very helpful!
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It was me, a few times. It's ok...I forgive you :D I'm excited to hear your updates with the little whipper snapper, Kali.
 
One feature to look for (a must in my book) is rechargeable batteries!! I don't want to have to worry about buying batteries or when I really need the unit it dies because the batteries are old. :mad:
 
MyBuddy said:
Quee I'm no expert on e-collars, as you know, I'm still learning myself. But I think Pawpads but it best when she said this:

I know for me, this would be a given. But like I told Stephen earlier, some things that we may think is a 'given' may get forgotten in translation to the other person. But this working with your dog in a low profile situation first, is most important and where I would start. I don't know if that is where you started with Pippi but him running so far away (egads!) seems to suggest it was not low profile. He seems to be a very sensitive dog and it will take a very long time to work that out of him. Poor guy, I feel for him!!
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Pippi is very sight/sound sensitive. We had an incident with dogs two weeks ago where a knucklehead let his dogs out of his SUV in a car park, without having them leashed and they were not well controlled. Pippi and I were in the park next to Lake Michigan, about a mile and a half away. As soon as she laid eyes on the dogs getting out of the SUV (we were training but she was getting tired and not focusing on me as much), she started instantly barking and lunging, and the dogs made a beeline in about a minute over that mile and a half to get to Pippi. I had to break out the mace - fortunately Pippi's snarling and my kicking at them stopped them in their tracks until their lazy-a$$ed owner ambled over (about 5 minutes later) to get the two miscreant dogs out of our face.

She goes from 0 to 100 miles per hour in about 2 milliseconds. There is no 'ramping up' to her aggressive state - she's either mellow or in Cujo mode instantly - there's no in between. And when she hears or sees trains it's even worse - she's in the zone instantly, and if she's not already restrained she really doesn't have the ability to hear, smell, taste or anything else once she's triggered - she must get to that train or dog in her mind. When restrained I've tried giving her her favorite treats that she begs for - but she turns her face away so that she can keep her eyes on the train. I've tried covering her eyes - she will fight like a mad creature to be able to retain sight of her target (train or dog), no amount of commands, food, or redirection will stop her - short of physically draggin her to a place where there is no prospect of seeing or hearing her target.

She's an extreme case - but only in these specific situations - she's otherwise very sweet and pretty mellow - she loves people, and likes dogs (spends many days during the week at day care with dozens of dogs). She's come a long way on a lot of other issues very quickly, but I've been working with her on these issue for the last 8 months since I adopted her, and she's really dug in her heels and hasn't changed a bit in her level of reactiveness to these things.
 
pawpads said:
Quee,

If you were interested in trying the e-collar again...I would tell you to go to the link I posted a little while ago for Stephen. It works. The catch is you have to start it right and you have to be educated yourself before you rely on "the all powerful and magical fix everything" e-collar. If you can't read your dog and you haven't gotten basic training already in place...then yes it will fail. If your dog isn't trained (basic and to the e-collar) correctly, then yes, if you give the vibrate or shock correction (at any level) the dog is going to try and "move away" from the stimulus. Bad part of that is....that also means moving away from you and in the direction of the thing you were trying to avoid. If your dog doesn't look at you as leader and master then you are going to have problems in every aspect of training, be it house training, leash pulling, being destructive, and yes....not coming when called THE 1st TIME you call.
The e-collar is in NO way a magic pill. But when used correctly it is the best tool in dog training 2nd to knowledge of a great mentor!
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Thank you Pawpads. I'm hesitant to try again - not only because of our failure, but also because our trainer in assessing her has suggested that it probably won't work even if she or one of the other trainers were to work with her using that tool. Her case seems to be very unique according to our trainers - in the case of trains we believe she was hit by one before she was rescued, which is why she is so white-hot in the zone when she hears or sees them, and the e-collar or any other attempts at redirecting her fail when she's in the presence of trains. Her problem with trains occurs regardless of who is handling her.

Because she has a similar (but less extreme) problem with dogs, and that problem seems to be related to me specifically (she's over-protective with me when dogs are around, where with trains she simply wants to attack them and it has nothing to do with protection of me) we're working on that first since it seems the easier of the two problems, and it may set the stage for addressing her train issues.

The trainer said that with the e-collar seeming to egg her on instead of stopping her from what she's doing, it's not going to be a usable tool to address her chasing issue.
 
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