I think this douchebag who wrote the article is painful to listen to. All these so called positive only trainers can bite me. The world of the dog is a harsh and cruel one. Quit humanizing an animal. Dogs keep order in their packs with far worse punishments than anything cesar millan ever dished out trust me.
Dont hate cuz he's rich and your sittin there blogging about it hater!!
Well, since I am a Cesar Millan follower and this could be MY touchy subject
I almost 'walked away'! LOL But, nope, can't do it when I am passionate about it! Burly, you know how I feel about him and you are so right here! One thing is, Cesar never claims that he is a 'dog trainer'. He is using dog
psychology, the same methods that dogs use on each other in their pack. The same as horses use too. I have three horses and can watch the pecking order as each one knows their place! Sometimes it seems cruel, sometimes one even gets hurt, but it's NATURE and a normal thing. All three of mine know who's boss, who's #2 and who's the low man on the totem pole. But let me tell you....when
I am with them?
I am head mare! Even to my ''head mare''!! And SHE knows it! That's not training, that's using herd psychology. Same as Cesar. How do you think he controls all those dogs at his center? I know people that can't control a pack of two dogs! It's only because, like me walking amongst my three horses, they know who's head of the pack. It's a energy, a posture, not training. That moment of hesitation that most of us don't even see...that's when the dog takes over! One thing I've picked up from Cesar also, is his stance of his hand on his hip. Ever notice that? He does it ALL the time. It gives a bit of 'toughness' without being tough. Have you ever been in a store and needed help...you look around you for an employee and pass up several until you see someone you think would be a good candidate. Why did you pass up the others? Because without even giving a thought, you knew by their stance that they did not look in control!
I have seen the shows where he cruelly "kicks" the dogs. I'm not sure how much pain you can inflict when the dog is at your side and you're using the opposite foot with a tap from behind.
You don't see any of Cesar's dogs cowering in front of him or acting insecure in anything they do, so they must be psyched to put on a front for the cameras too....
Exactly. That 'kick' is nothing. The yelp you hear, is just the surprise ! And that's the whole point. To get the attention of the dog back to you! And you see it works. Notice how the dog turns and looks at Cesar?? It's like I told MLR once...if I were drooling over John Travola :lick: I would be ignoring her! Even tapping me on the shoulder might not get my attention and she'd have to give me a sharp snap on the arm to snap me out of it!
And believe me, I BELIEVE all the things that Cesar does on the show, happen, but that's not to say the dog is instantly 'cured'. Most issues take a lot of over and over and over to get it to be set in stone. Owners have to work on it.
So, under this theory, the mother of the litter is wrong because she doesn't use positive reinforcement to train her pups 100% of the time.
From what I get from Ceaser he tries to duplicate the mothers reaction to the pups behavior.
On every show the disclaimer is shown that each case needs to be evaluated before action can be taken. Like it was posted earlier the media only choses to show the aggressive ones.
Like all things, I might not agree 100% with 1 person. I always take whatever I can from everyone, mix it all together, and see what my dog responds to the best.
Really now, all you can come up with is ceaser sucks? I wonder if he could change your behavior? LOL
Yes, that's what he is duplicating...herd dynamics and he takes a lot from the mother dog and how she acts. Like the one show with a woman who just had a baby and she was letting her dog come up to her while she was feeding her baby and she even threw a ball for the dog. All while she was feeding her baby! Cesar told her a mother dog that is feeding her pups would NEVER let anyone near...and esp. would not let them think that feeding time is playing time.
From what I've seen, the dogs are the easy part of Cesar's work. It's changing the behavior of the humans that is the challenging part. He's had some great success with changing the lives of some of the people on the show. One woman in particular sticks out in my mind- Sparky's mom who has panic attacks. Cesar got her back on her feet through her dog. She went from a near shut-in, to back into a career with his help.
I loved that episode, Ingrid! And it IS what he does, changing the thinking of humans. There have been SO many times on the show where someone has a "light bulb" moment! It was more gradual for me but it all started with the purchase of my first horse and the enlightening I got from that horses' breeder/trainer. He taught me some incredible things and changed my way of thinking with horses that followed through into dogs with the D.W. I had my ah moment when I discovered Cesar and his ways. I kept seeing the connections to raising horses, dogs and even kids. We just sometimes don't see the connections. Example, once my mom saw my head mare pin her ears back, and swing her head at the 'low man' on the totem pole. She was like, "Ah, poor thing." I said, no worries, he knows his place. Just like YOU would do if you walked in a room with children. You are head mare there and would tell the children, 'wait your turn, or let the adults eat first, or speak first or whatever'....the fact is, there is a pecking order and the kids know it and so does the horse. And so does your dog, if you teach it right. If you watch D.W. you see that he corrects withOUT anger or frustration. How many of us have? That's the difference. You think he is cruel but nothing he does has been cruel. And of course, some of the things he does, NONE of us should attempt and there is a disclaimer for that. He's been doing it for a long time and his timing (which is
so important) is so much better than most of us.
Yeah the owners are usually morons and I think they are the one need a SHSHHHH!!
TOTALLY! :SwinginStar:
Thats what used to piss me off about people telling me i was a fool to have more then one doberman in the house. "I should at least wait till my first was older so i could be prepared to handle two" are you kidding me. I may be relitivly new to dobermans. But Im no stranger to raising agressive breeds. god i hate people who assume they know everything there is to know about somebody theve nver met. (not directed at RH who is entitled to his opinion)
