Well everyone,meet Rocky.

We really only do the planned separate exercise for a couple of days. It's tough but it really helps smooth things out pretty quick. It also gives you a lot of info on how to proceed with integration if they really calm down with the extra bike/run.

Can't believe they had this boy in foster for a year! That's crazy!
 
Honestly a lot of this sounds like normal Doberman play to me. If you've never had 2 together before it's hard to imagine the playful snarls and teeth that come out during normal playtime. What is their body language like when they're doing this? Are they posturing, and showing signs of real aggression or is it just normal body language?
I know our trainer told us not to step in since it could just intensify the situation when we use our emotions and take on a different attitude which is sometimes more tense than we realize.
 
JanS said:
Honestly a lot of this sounds like normal Doberman play to me. If you've never had 2 together before it's hard to imagine the playful snarls and teeth that come out during normal playtime. What is their body language like when they're doing this? Are they posturing, and showing signs of real aggression or is it just normal body language?
I know our trainer told us not to step in since it could just intensify the situation when we use our emotions and take on a different attitude which is sometimes more tense than we realize.
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Jan,what they were doing in these latest pics,that was normal healthy dog play.What happened at the start of the walk was much more intense.Daisy was pissed.Full Mohawk and advancing,not healthy play and a reaction to his behavior.Him not minding (ignoring)my verbal command to stop escalated her even further.
 
Gelcoater said:
Dang it,my techno idiocy.I tried to get my response in orange inside the quote.Epic fail.
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Fixed for you :)

I'd start doing separate sessions for now. Take him out by himself, train etc so he can get used to just 1 on 1 time with you and will be much more under your control when off leash with Daisy added. I would always start out with some side by side leash walking with the two before free roam to take the edge off. Make sure they are both under your control before rewarding with off leash (ie. heeling properly, not pulling/rearing to go, sitting when stopping and looking to you for the next direction) Get the brain working so he's not so fresh when let off leash with all that energy ready to piss Daisy off, lol.
 
JanS said:
Honestly a lot of this sounds like normal Doberman play to me. If you've never had 2 together before it's hard to imagine the playful snarls and teeth that come out during normal playtime. What is their body language like when they're doing this? Are they posturing, and showing signs of real aggression or is it just normal body language?
I know our trainer told us not to step in since it could just intensify the situation when we use our emotions and take on a different attitude which is sometimes more tense than we realize.
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Agreed!!! I was shocked to see how my two play and I was a bit prepared sine I had heard stories and seen pictures of pairs here playing. I agree witht he others, Aria is far more forward when it comes to playing and it comes out in a toothy fashion :)


CONGRATS GEL!!!!! He looks like a sweetie :) Hope it works out for you and him. I say, just give them time. Adding a second dog can be stressful. Theyu will work it out and you have a keen eye to watch for any problems that might arise. Excited for you.
 
Just wanted to add some more info since I am stalking lmao!!! I have had him with me in rescue since Sept 1st, I had been working with his owner to take him in since he was 9 months but the owner kept changing his mind. He has always eaten and slept in a kennel at my place since I have multiple dogs and only so many fit in my bedroom lol Part of "Rocky's confusion is that his old owner was a complete push over and never had the strength or knowledge to discipline him, so he grew up as a spoiled only child, and my guess is he was pulled away from mom waaayy too earlier and didn't learn his doggy manners. He tried to bully keilani when he first got here and she put tooth hole in him lmao, and he has never tried anything since. He has to be put in his place and he is absolutely perfect. He does play rough, like most Dobes, and he is so tall it can be pretty overwhelming to a dog that isn't used to it, but he wrestles like a madman with my kids and they all sound like they are killing each other, but they have a blast lol Luckily my neighbors are used to it ;-) He didnt come from a neglectful situation, actually exactly the opposite, an over indulgent home with no boundaries. I know he will do great if poor gelcoater can put up with the acclimation phase lol. Good luck Larry, I am here if you need me, and as I said, if it gets to be too much, you can always bring him back to me and we will find another home for him :)
 
Lol,April.We're playing tag in media.:D

Ok,April already knows but my afternoon Rocky update.
This mornings walk was a bit discouraging as I mentioned in my previous posts.They had some play time later in the house and all was fine.They both might be a bit worn out as they both napped for a good 2 hours.
This evening at sundown the wife and I took them out again.This is her first walk with him(she had back to back 12 hour shifts the last couple of days)she took his lead I took Daisy.
Things went a bit more smooth.He started in on her once the leashes came off.I started to intervene then decided to see how they handle it.Much less drama,that's how.Good boy Rocky!
He continues to struggle with the doggy door.He will do it but would prefer someone to open a door for him:)Spoiled I guess:D. The important thing is he knows it's there and he knows how it works.He has that!image.webp
 
We had a great play session this evening.
Let me back up a second.
We were going down the same side of the house as where yesterday's little fight started.Once again Daisy leading,Rocky coming up from behind Couldn't slow down fast enough to keep from running into her.She responded by turning her head over her left shoulder showed teeth and a growl and he backed off real fast with that "Oh :censored: Oh:censored:" kind of body language.
They trotted out into the back yard.He went out by the tool shed and was sniffing a bush,Daisy was just standing at the edge of the patio....staring (glaring?)at him.I walked up to her and bumped her rump with my knee and said "Go" She looked up at me and took one step,stopped and looked back at me like "really?"I say again "Go".
She ran out to him and postured a bit and he took off running.She took off after him snarling,snapping,growling,top speed.
Those long ass legs if his should be able to move him faster than she can run,but they didn't:D
Pretty rough play but under control.I think I may have seen the little shift in the Force as it happened.
 
JanS said:
Honestly a lot of this sounds like normal Doberman play to me. If you've never had 2 together before it's hard to imagine the playful snarls and teeth that come out during normal playtime. What is their body language like when they're doing this? Are they posturing, and showing signs of real aggression or is it just normal body language?
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This is where I'd be at a loss, Gel. Is it real or is it just 2 Dobermans? lol

Hearing from April about the over indulgent 'parent's' does sort of put it in prospective though. If he was never given boundaries I could see him acting like a spoiled child. Sounds like a case for some tough love. Knowing that he is very loved but that you expect obedience. I love that photo of him sitting like a puppy! I'm still hoping it works out! He seems to have a lot on the plus side. ;)


Gelcoater said:
I walked up to her and bumped her rump with my knee and said "Go" She looked up at me and took one step,stopped and looked back at me like "really?"I say again "Go". She ran out to him and postured a bit and he took off running.She took off after him snarling,snapping,growling,top speed.
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I'm confused by this though. What were you trying to accomplish? Did you want her to go and 'fight' him or what? :scratch:
 
MyBuddy said:
This is where I'd be at a loss, Gel. Is it real or is it just 2 Dobermans? lol

Hearing from April about the over indulgent 'parent's' does sort of put it in prospective though. If he was never given boundaries I could see him acting like a spoiled child. Sounds like a case for some tough love. Knowing that he is very loved but that you expect obedience. I love that photo of him sitting like a puppy! I'm still hoping it works out! He seems to have a lot on the plus side. ;)



I'm confused by this though. What were you trying to accomplish? Did you want her to go and 'fight' him or what? :scratch:
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No,I didn't want them to fight.
I think part of their issue is I was stepping in as things got a little (from my perspective)a bit rough.
They were pretty much just having shouting matches,and I was breaking them up rather than letting them...be dogs.
Another piece here,I mentioned earlier.She's never interacted with another Doberman until this visit to Aprils.They play rough.She was not used to it.I could tell earlier in the day she was starting to get over it (being a controlling little B;)) and learning it's pretty fun.
So no,didn't want them to fight,just engage him in play.We can't do much besides that to help her adjust.She's still not really thrilled he's here,but we can all tell she's warming up.They both are it seems.
On a side note they both went out this morning,literally were both doing their morning:poop: at exactly the same time.
We all know how light on their toes they are after that;)The had a nice little play session.Now they're just chilling out.
 
It sounds like things are starting to come together and they do need to establish their order, which takes a little time. It's good you're not stepping in, and just letting them sort it out on their own.
Gelcoater said:
He continues to struggle with the doggy door.He will do it but would prefer someone to open a door for him
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LOL, you wouldn't believe how many times Atticus' mom had to crawl in and out of their doggy door to show him how it's done. :D He's been there since October and is just now starting to use it on his own.
 
JanS said:
It sounds like things are starting to come together and they do need to establish their order, which takes a little time. It's good you're not stepping in, and just letting them sort it out on their own.

LOL, you wouldn't believe how many times Atticus' mom had to crawl in and out of their doggy door to show him how it's done. :D He's been there since October and is just now starting to use it on his own.
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Now that's funny!It sure helps for them to see another dog do it first,but if you don't have one......:D

Maxie learned it from my moms first pair of Goldens some 14 ish years ago,she passed her wisdom to Daisy.Now she passes the knowledge to Rocky.:)
 
We had a great walk today!
He was much much more polite,both on leash and after release.In fact he didn't do his over aggressive bark at her at all in the beginning.We stopped at one point and he tried it a little.He stopped after the second time I told him to.So,while I wouldn't say he was perfect,he was pretty close.
Tension around the house is all but gone now.
He's a bit "barkey" at some of the strange noises or barks from neighbors.Im giving some correction on it,and I notice he's looking at Daisy to see her reaction to these noises.Sometimes her lack of care makes him not care too.Other times he doesn't care about her reaction he's going to bark anyway.He is a dog after all :)
 
Great to hear Gel! I'm not entirely sure, but in my experience the boys do tend to bark a bit more than the girls. That said, Della is the only girl we've had. ;)
 
Wow, congrats on everything going on for you Gelcoater I'll go ahead and agree with Jan and say that boys bark a little more. Yeti is more of my alert guy lol Zoey not so much. And you'll be surprised how toothy dobermans can get while playing. I remember the first time Yeti met his first doberman, he was only 16 weeks old and it was intense to see as a first time owner. Now I see Zoey name Yeti all toothy and I'm not to worried. I do watch to make sure Zoey doesn't get carried away...she's the baby in the family but does act like a bitch sometimes. Glad all is going well!!!
 
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