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Vom Landgraf litter… Blast from the past

Reason I’m asking about the litter is, I’m getting serious about adding a second dog. It would be nice if a third party has seen any of these dogs in person. Thanks
 
Reason I’m asking about the litter is, I’m getting serious about adding a second dog.
Exciting! I don't recognize any of the names but it's nice to carry on good breeding lines from old preserved semen.
 
Exciting! I don't recognize any of the names but it's nice to carry on good breeding lines from old preserved semen.
How common is it to use semen from a dog that has been deceased for 12 years?
 
There's a guy I'm "friends" with on the f'book named Larry Jay Kye. He had Deacon Vom Landgraf, who achieved nicely on the field. He and his wife still have Landgraf dogs, I think. Might give you a tad of info. looking in on his page?

The Mooreieche dogs were in my Oji's pedigree, and his breeder bred to Flint von der Woodritz. Probably more lines in common with the above than I can recall at thew moment.

Working Dobe temperament, Oji had, along with not the steadiest of nerves. Separation anxiety and thunderstorm anxiety. An unimpressive looking male., but strong for his 70 lbs and 28 inches. Sturdy and not prone to injury.
 
There's a guy I'm "friends" with on the f'book named Larry Jay Kye. He had Deacon Vom Landgraf, who achieved nicely on the field. He and his wife still have Landgraf dogs, I think. Might give you a tad of info. looking in on his page?

The Mooreieche dogs were in my Oji's pedigree, and his breeder bred to Flint von der Woodritz. Probably more lines in common with the above than I can recall at thew moment.

Working Dobe temperament, Oji had, along with not the steadiest of nerves. Separation anxiety and thunderstorm anxiety. An unimpressive looking male., but strong for his 70 lbs and 28 inches. Sturdy and not prone to injury.
Thanks for the information. This is the kind of stuff I was looking for. I watched some IGP videos of the sire and he moved incredibly well for as big as he looks.

In regards to Oji’s nerves. Did he have problems with environmentals? Such as surfaces and all loud noises? Was he okay with gunfire but not thunderstorms? Stassi doesn’t have the best nerves. But she is the only suspicious unsocial dog I’ve owned. So I don’t have much to compare her to. I’ve come to realize personally, that if a dog has high enough drive it really helps them overcome a lot of situations. If Stassi didn’t have the drive she wouldn’t be very fun to own and live with.
 
Thanks for the information. This is the kind of stuff I was looking for. I watched some IGP videos of the sire and he moved incredibly well for as big as he looks.

In regards to Oji’s nerves. Did he have problems with environmentals? Such as surfaces and all loud noises? Was he okay with gunfire but not thunderstorms? Stassi doesn’t have the best nerves. But she is the only suspicious unsocial dog I’ve owned. So I don’t have much to compare her to. I’ve come to realize personally, that if a dog has high enough drive it really helps them overcome a lot of situations. If Stassi didn’t have the drive she wouldn’t be very fun to own and live with.
I was just telling a guy with a GSP yesterday that although his dog is stubborn, she has high drive and he can use that.

Oji was actually good with envirnonmentals, as you say. He had no problems with walking on different surfaces. He was actually very fine with loud noises such as car backfires and fireworks.

It was just lightning and thunder that caused a reaction in him. This led eventually to him getting stressed about rainfall that was hard enough to make tapping sounds on the house windows; and he didn't like the blowing winds of storms. I think it all started with his natural negative reaction to lightning. There is something in the air that some dogs sense or are affected by when it comes to lightning.

Now, I will say that given how he was so unaffected by fireworks, I decided one July 4th to walk him to the park where they hold a professional fireworks show. We picked out a spot on the grass that was not as close as you could get, but still plenty close to the loud stuff you feel in your chest. That was a bit embarrassing for me, because as soon as they started to go off, he launched into his aggressive barking and he was lunging forward. It was all I could do to restrain him as I was butt on the ground in tug-of-war position (granted, he was lunging downhill). The fireworks were just too close and loud, and it was nothing he'd yet experienced.

He was a very vocal dog – not only quick to bark in his characteristic aggressive bark, but he'd bark when stressed. Example: When I'd have him heel when he was driven to chase something he'd launch into his barking. (When I'd give him the silent command, he took that as superceding the heel command) D'oh.

He was very very dog-reactive, and I worked hard on that from an early age so he wouldn't seem like Cujo when seeing a dog 1/2 block away as we were on walks. In the house, his insurmountable drive to bark at any and all animals he could see negated much of his usefulness as a watchdog. We were just very fortunate that he didn't have much of a tendency to bark at animals he could hear or smell from inside the house. It was only if he caught sight of one. Other than that, he was calm inside the house as most Dobes are. Outdoors, they are ON!
 
What would you expect from this breeding? Does anyone know any of these dogs from the pedigree?
I would expect top notch working dogs. Landgraf name is well known, I've never heard anything bad about them. They may choose active working and sports homes only for these puppies over non-working homes so you may want to reach out quickly to see if you would be able to get on a wait list. I'm just guessing here, but the response on FB was pretty big and I'd expect they will have more applications than puppies. I'd love to see you get one so we could watch you raise it. :thumbsup: Are you wanting to get into protection sports? That would be exciting if you did!
 
If only I was 30-something instead of 60-something.... :spit:
I don't even think we have anyone on the chat doing IGP anymore except @Rits ? I miss the chatter about working & training IGP.

Anyhow, this litter is due in 2 - 3 weeks. Fingers crossed it all goes well, hopefully some will stay here in the US, Landgraf dogs often go across the pond.
Another litter from Landgraf on the way, this time using frozen semen from Eiko:

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Should be exciting to watch! Also one to watch is Apexe's litter with Marco vom Landgraf (Marco vom Landgraf IGP3 FH1 WAC CD BFL-1 x Biene vom Weisenstein IGP1 CD ATT). I believe they are about 5 weeks old!
 
Also one to watch is Apexe's litter
Yes I saw those too! ❤️ Love how both those parents have IGP titles AND AKC obedience CD as well.

Also of note, both Eiko and Marco added FH1 which is IGP tracking one up from IGP3 level tracking and not at all easy. Eiko also has an AD - the 12 mile endurance test. I see less and less of these on any breed, but Dobermans hardly ever. These are some seriously athletic dogs, so glad they are being used, I know it's such a crap shoot on frozen breeding!
 

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