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I've heard that many ethical breeders disregard any IABCA titles because almost anyone can get their title in a weekend.
I don't know for a fact, one of those "I heard" things.
But for owners wanting to have fun and get experience and some education at the same time, I love the idea that UKC and IABCA judges help educate with critiques.
I've heard that many ethical breeders disregard any IABCA titles because almost anyone can get their title in a weekend.
I don't know for a fact, one of those "I heard" things.But for owners wanting to have fun and get experience and some education at the same time, I love the idea that UKC and IABCA judges help educate with critiques.
That is what caught my eye too, on how at IABCA the dogs dont compete against one another but against the standard, and owners get a written critique from the judge.
On UDC:
I also like the Breed Standard event described in a recent post about UDC Regional- where owners get judges verbal explanations and coaching as handlers, on how to do that event?
Note the "Providence" Breeder link did not discuss the Continental Kennel Club (not to be confused with Canadian Kennel Club) and my impression on reading elsewhere is that CKC is less well regarded.
@Ravenbird I'm not experienced enough at all to comment on pro's and con's but on digging for more found this discussion on breed standards,
related to your earlier discussions on declines?
overlookmtlabradors.com
Another breed perspective on show vs working.
On UDC:
I also like the Breed Standard event described in a recent post about UDC Regional- where owners get judges verbal explanations and coaching as handlers, on how to do that event?
Note the "Providence" Breeder link did not discuss the Continental Kennel Club (not to be confused with Canadian Kennel Club) and my impression on reading elsewhere is that CKC is less well regarded.
@Ravenbird I'm not experienced enough at all to comment on pro's and con's but on digging for more found this discussion on breed standards,
related to your earlier discussions on declines?
Silence in the Ring: The Surprising Decline of Judging Critiques in U.S. Dog Shows
The disappearance of judges' feedback in U.S. dog shows impacts transparency, trust, and participation within the conformation community.
overlookmtlabradors.com
Another breed perspective on show vs working.
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I have heard the same thing for UKC and that those titles don't mean anything, but that's simply not true with all of the competition. I have never been to an IABCA show so I can't comment on that.
BTW you can get a written judges crtique in DPCA Top 20, I read...its confidential, not shared with public tho...
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Top 20 History | DPCA
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I don't understand the problem with that. Why does it matter? To me it's silly to think that you have have to endure you what do you do to prove your dog in AKC. It's the same judges in ALL the venues.I've heard that many ethical breeders disregard any IABCA titles because almost anyone can get their title in a weekend.
Back maybe 15 years or so ago I spoke with a "professional" handler and she told me to be prepared to spend a minimum of 10 grand to finish a dog in AKC. That's ridiculous in my book.
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The IABCA judges on FCI standard, the country of origin standard. I imagine these (mythical) 'ethical' breeders are not that fond of the German standard. A G(good) or SG(very good) rated dog is not going to walk away with a title in a weekend. It's all about the dog vs standard. So the critical practical difference is that only Excellent-rated dogs can be awarded the championship titles.I've heard that many ethical breeders disregard any IABCA titles because almost anyone can get their title in a weekend.
In an AKC show you can have an entire ring filled with subpar dogs, but someone has to 'win' and get awarded points towards their title. This is one of the ways standards get rewritten because over time the dogs stop resembling the written standards so the standards are rewritten to accommodate the dogs being shown.
I prefer to show in IABCA vs AKC, these are the two I've personally done.
My most memorable win in AKC was 50 years ago, on a Saturday the judge didn't even place my bitch in open class...on Sunday, that bitch won Best of Breed over Saturday's judge's dog. I will never forget that triumph!!
It's why I put theThe IABCA judges on FCI standard, the country of origin standard. I imagine these (mythical) 'ethical' breeders are not that fond of the German standard. A G(good) or SG(very good) rated dog is not going to walk away with a title in a weekend. It's all about the dog vs standard. So the critical practical difference is that only Excellent-rated dogs can be awarded the championship titles.
In an AKC show you can have an entire ring filled with subpar dogs, but someone has to 'win' and get awarded points towards their title. This is one of the ways standards get rewritten because over time the dogs stop resembling the written standards so the standards are rewritten to accommodate the dogs being shown.
I prefer to show in IABCA vs AKC, these are the two I've personally done.
My most memorable win in AKC was 50 years ago, on a Saturday the judge didn't even place my bitch in open class...on Sunday, that bitch won Best of Breed over Saturday's judge's dog. I will never forget that triumph!!
at the end of my statement. 10 grand to get someone's opinion of perfection??? I've never shown conformation, although I was interested in trying it a few years back, I knew I couldn't afford AKC, and there were no UKC or IABCA's anywhere close to try it out and "practice" where I as a handler wouldn't be laughed out of the ring.... UDC has conformation shows, mostly working dogs and they are tied to an age appropriate temperament test, which I heartedly agree with, but again, no shows within a 12 hour drive, so I just lost interest. Now the more I look at all the awesome dogs that don't have CH status, it has become less and less important to me.
I have had some interesting conversations with different judges while transporting them to and from the airport for our shows. One of them a few years ago was also an AKC judge and he said he won't place a dog that isn't worthy. He said he dismissed a very prominent Doberman breeder/handler because she just expected to win with her reputation as a professional handler and breeder when she walked into the ring. He said she wasn't putting any effort into showing the best side of the dog and it was a sloppy showing for a pro. I guess there was hell to be paid when she was dismissed when she expected to automatically win.
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