jazzies mum
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Uncle Stavros looking regal! No goofy puppy there. 
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Kaiser2016
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Awww he looks great! So grown up!
LifeofRubie
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what a goooood looking doggo!
Out of curiosity, my untrained eye thinks you'd be hard pressed to find a better looking Dobe. What would he get 'faulted' for in conformation?
Out of curiosity, my untrained eye thinks you'd be hard pressed to find a better looking Dobe. What would he get 'faulted' for in conformation?
Rits
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He is a really nice one because there is little to not like about him which is what you want to see. He could use more length on his upper arm, which would improve his front. Nitpicking but a hair more layback on the shoulder. A shorter back. Nitpicking again because it's so minor, and really mostly cosmetic compared to other things, but a dryer mouth. It's hidden here due to handling.
Good fronts are the bane of this breed. So many open angles on those fronts hidden by the illusion of a good front with a bubble chest. If you look for the skeleton underneath though, you will then see and can never unsee ALL the straight fronts.
He's not a year old yet and has A LOT of maturing to do for the next 3 years. That chest will drop and he will continue to develop depth of body so I cant wait to see what he will look like at 2 and 3 and 4!! Kinda why we are in no rush at the moment to show him seriously. Getting Ripley finished this year is our goal. He has plenty of time to mature. Just the two times he's been out he has drawn a lot of eyes and compliments ringside.
He's a little on the lean side here too. Pretty sure he had his foreign body floating around in his stomach here.
Thanks once again for helping us learn!
I like your dog more than many that I'm seeing now in the ring. I'm seeing a steeper and steeper slope in the backs which concerns me a lot. When I was in Tucson I saw a dog (outside the ring, the owner was just walking him around) and his back was sloped even as he walked and stood. He looked awful. When standing naturally with his feet under him his back still went down like a ski slope and he didn't move smoothly. I was actually a little horrified by it.
I like your dog more than many that I'm seeing now in the ring. I'm seeing a steeper and steeper slope in the backs which concerns me a lot. When I was in Tucson I saw a dog (outside the ring, the owner was just walking him around) and his back was sloped even as he walked and stood. He looked awful. When standing naturally with his feet under him his back still went down like a ski slope and he didn't move smoothly. I was actually a little horrified by it.
Rits
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So from my understanding, the ski slope is caused by too open of a shoulder and possibly too much angle on the croup? I don't like to see them either, especially seems to be more common with euros. I was watching dobes show at Crufts and not sure I liked many. The hyper types are way worse though.
The videos of Crufts were such bad quality. Maybe phone video? I never saw a professional video of the Dobermans. But what I saw they all looked way overweight, heavy headed and no "spark" that you see here in the states shows. No bounce or self stacks and as soon as the handler relaxed half of them dragged their nose on the ground sniffing and pulling their handler. I was astonished at the lack of basic discipline as much as the "not my type" of Dobe.
The sloped back I'm speaking of I've seen in some of Theresas FB posts where if you un-stacked the dog and put the back feet underneath them in a natural position it still wouldn't raise the back enough to look normal. How she can see moving an elbow back changes the front angle, I can see where moving the back leg forward changes the angle of the slope - and sometimes it looks like it wouldn't fix the excess.
Again, Stavros is way more my style simply by not being exaggerated anywhere!
The sloped back I'm speaking of I've seen in some of Theresas FB posts where if you un-stacked the dog and put the back feet underneath them in a natural position it still wouldn't raise the back enough to look normal. How she can see moving an elbow back changes the front angle, I can see where moving the back leg forward changes the angle of the slope - and sometimes it looks like it wouldn't fix the excess.
Again, Stavros is way more my style simply by not being exaggerated anywhere!
Kswoodssue
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He has a regal look. If he moves as well as Ripley, this is going to be fun!
