Speaking of shows or sports events...

[Ravenbird]

A reminder of how we can be the ones who can make a difference. @Katyusharocket description of the new, old & continuing friendships as a newbie in the show world in UKC.

This is a life-long very experienced horseman who mostly competed in eventing on Thoroughbreds, but also owned and competed in several sports on different breeds. He's never forgotten being a newbie:

 

[JanS]

Very well said and that's what I love about UKC. Nearly everyone there gets to know each other and it's like meeting old friends at every show, whether you've met them once or several times per year. I was sitting next to a lady I don't remember meeting yesterday and she was super nice and did a great job showing. When I started packing up she said "oh no are you moving?", but I just needed to leave. I told her I will see her at the fall show if she goes and she said they definitely want to try. But in the meantime we had a very nice conversation about anything and everything.

 

[GennyB]

that's what I love about UKC

The difference is amazing!
At a UKC show here I happened to look around and noticed that there were a lot of the same people I've seen at AKC shows. There were 3 of the same judges that I saw a couple weeks before. What gives with that?

 

[JanS]

There were 3 of the same judges that I saw a couple weeks before. What gives with that?

Well that's interesting. Maybe those judges placed their dogs high in AKC so they decided to try to earn new points in UKC too? I know in UKC all of your counted competition wins have to be from different judges in different shows so many people tend not to go to UKC shows with the same judges when they are trying to earn a conformation title.
I know the judge I transported yesterday and today said she is both an AKC and UKC judge so she may be familiar with a lot of dogs from both venues.

 

[Ddski5]

Never fun being the new kid on the block, just tends to be awkward.
Always comforting and can be exciting when wisdom and experience extends the helping hand.

 

[BGpa]

Well that's interesting. Maybe those judges placed their dogs high in AKC so they decided to try to earn new points in UKC too? I know in UKC all of your counted competition wins have to be from different judges in different shows so many people tend not to go to UKC shows with the same judges when they are trying to earn a conformation title.
I know the judge I transported yesterday and today said she is both an AKC and UKC judge so she may be familiar with a lot of dogs from both venues.

If points are counted in AKC for other clubs, but the "different judges" rule does not apply in AKC then thats a way to "finish" faster, correct?

I can infer from reading here and elswhere "in the fancy" there are a lot of costs to go from show to show, paying for hotels, entry fees, trainers, paying pro handlers where thats an advantage.

So There is a simple business logic in the logistics alone.

And presumably a judge that favors a certain look is to be sought out if thats what the breeder has developed a line towards?

From my newb understanding
the key thing in show dogs- finish fast?

Then they can be put to work breeding? The more puppies in a litter that finish the more value in subsequent litters, correct?

 

[GennyB]

Well that's interesting. Maybe those judges placed their dogs high in AKC so they decided to try to earn new points in UKC too? I know in UKC all of your counted competition wins have to be from different judges in different shows so many people tend not to go to UKC shows with the same judges when they are trying to earn a conformation title.
I know the judge I transported yesterday and today said she is both an AKC and UKC judge so she may be familiar with a lot of dogs from both venues.

I was talking about how the same people can be so snooty in AKC and then so nice in UKC. I was kinda in a hurry so I didn't explain that well I guess.

 

[Ravenbird]

If points are counted in AKC for other clubs, but the "different judges" rule does not apply in AKC then thats a way to "finish" faster, correct?

I thought it had to be under different judges in AKC, but not sure. I know I had to have Q's under different judges in Obedience, but don't think it applies for scent work. I'd have to refer to the rule book about conformation since I've not done that.

 

[Ravenbird]

I was talking about how the same people can be so snooty in AKC and then so nice in UKC.

Yikes. That puts a different spin on it.

 

[JanS]

If points are counted in AKC for other clubs, but the "different judges" rule does not apply in AKC then thats a way to "finish" faster, correct?

AKC points or only counted in AKC shows but I'm pretty sure it has to be under different judges to count your competition wins. I know for sure that's the way it is in UKC but UKC and AKC are totally different registries so the points only count in whichever one your showing in.

I know I had to have Q's under different judges in Obedience, but don't think it applies for scent work.

Yes that is right and I think it's the same with rally, in UKC at least. We get a lot of repeat judges in those events.

I was talking about how the same people can be so snooty in AKC and then so nice in UKC.

That is pretty amazing!

 

[BGpa]

Yikes. That puts a different spin on it.

Sounds tribal!

 

[GennyB]

Yikes. That puts a different spin on it.

That's one of the problems with the dog world for me. Way too many spins to keep things straight for me. I guess it's like any organization, it's all in who you know and how you play the game.

I would recommend that you go to an AKC show and just watch. It's won't take long to figure out where the handlers/breeders are. Go stand by them and just listen. Eye opening experience, trust me.

 

[Ravenbird]

I would recommend that you go to an AKC show and just watch. It's won't take long to figure out where the handlers/breeders are. Go stand by them and just listen. Eye opening experience, trust me.

I did a couple of years ago, but I don't think I was around breeders or handlers. Posted my experience here:

Thread 'First observation of Conformation Show'

Nov 25, 2023

I've seen lots of Doberman Conformation on videos and in photos, here and online elsewhere, but my first ringside observation was last week in Tucson where there was a Doberman Specialty + All breed cluster show for 4 days. The WAE for Dobermans was Wed. then Thursday all day was Doberman only conformation, obedience and rally, then Friday - Monday was a 4 day all-breed show for Conformation, Ob, Rally and Fast Cat. It really was huge. I posted my report in separate threads on WAE, Obedience & Fast Cat where we were entered, but haven't mentioned the Conformation. My experience was a mix...

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[BGpa]

I did a couple of years ago, but I don't think I was around breeders or handlers. Posted my experience here:

Thread 'First observation of Conformation Show'

Nov 25, 2023

I've seen lots of Doberman Conformation on videos and in photos, here and online elsewhere, but my first ringside observation was last week in Tucson where there was a Doberman Specialty + All breed cluster show for 4 days. The WAE for Dobermans was Wed. then Thursday all day was Doberman only conformation, obedience and rally, then Friday - Monday was a 4 day all-breed show for Conformation, Ob, Rally and Fast Cat. It really was huge. I posted my report in separate threads on WAE, Obedience & Fast Cat where we were entered, but haven't mentioned the Conformation. My experience was a mix...

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Great post. On my to-do list- visit showdog shows and working dog trials.
After reading pedigrees in various places with pics to get some idea of subtle differences.
Then how they do in work starts to make sense; the ideal structure and muscle has a purpose- efficient powerful movement to maximize the function, and then, see also temperament etc. Its quite the art, this science of dog breeding...