Question about my 25 day old pups

[Cerseigirl]

Hi and welcome to DCF from the UK.

First off, so you know, we are highly passionate about the breed and thrive for a bright future for the dobermann and the only way we can get there is through good breeding today. Stringent health testing on parents are of the highest priority. We value the health and well-being above all else. All ethical and responsible breeders health test, temperament test, title their dogs, and aim to produce only the highest quality Dobermans which will better the gene pool.

So, for us, it’s difficult to wrap our heads around you breeding your bitch. I hope you understand that and hopefully respect our views and opinions on the matter.

In turn, I’m trying not to be insensitive as there are many different cultures and people, so are there different attitudes about dogs.

Looking at the pups, maybe blue, fawn and red? It’s difficult to see.
Blues and Fawns are just dilutes of the dominant colors Black & Red.
Blue is the dilute of Black & Fawn is the dilute of Red. So, just getting my head around this, you want to pre-warn and inform your family that they have a dilute? That’s why you are asking about the colour? Our priorities are very different, I hope you understand. The colour comes WAY down the list after health and temperament testing.

Did you have to pay a stud fee to the males owner? Is he taking a pup(s)?

Thanks for your response. Some helpful insights you gave me.

First, I'd like to point out that the main reason for breeding is for protection. My uncle's family was in the K9 training business before (former police officer k9 unit). He gives home service training for local residents and private companies alike. As a dog trainer, he only knows so little about breeding. We're not trying to breed for quality but rather, company and protection. And I hope you guys respect that as much as I respect your opinions. If we can afford it, we'd be willing to have them undergo all these health tests. Sadly, it's too expensive for us (because it is so rare to have them).

And yes, that's true about me asking about the colors. I have read that other colored dobes (fawn/isabella) have another health issue not common in black/tan or red/tan. That's why we want to be ready with all the information we can get, based on the experiences of people here, to provide only the best for our dog & pups. It's hard reading just plain articles online without having to ask questions and get answers. Thus, me joining the forum.

Again, appreciate the time putting up your response.

 

[Cerseigirl]

We were stationed at Clark AFB and lived just outside of base checkpoint in Angeles.

My dad was originally from Bataan (Death March) and main airport we use now is in Clark Airbase. (30min from Bataan). Its so much better than when we had to fly to Manila going to Bataan (3.5hrs)

 

[Cerseigirl]

The health risks are genetic so that's why it is very important for health testing to be done on both the sire and dam prior to breeding.
The risks are not just for fawns it for the entire litter.
Without knowing the genetic health of the parents, you don’t know what health problems the puppies will have or can develop as they age.

Is there a way to do the tests for the pups and my bitch without involving the sire?

 

[GOD'S GRACE]

Thanks for your response. Some helpful insights you gave me.

First, I'd like to point out that the main reason for breeding is for protection. My uncle's family was in the K9 training business before (former police officer k9 unit). He gives home service training for local residents and private companies alike. As a dog trainer, he only knows so little about breeding. We're not trying to breed for quality but rather, company and protection. And I hope you guys respect that as much as I respect your opinions. If we can afford it, we'd be willing to have them undergo all these health tests. Sadly, it's too expensive for us (because it is so rare to have them).

And yes, that's true about me asking about the colors. I have read that other colored dobes (fawn/isabella) have another health issue not common in black/tan or red/tan. That's why we want to be ready with all the information we can get, based on the experiences of people here, to provide only the best for our dog & pups. It's hard reading just plain articles online without having to ask questions and get answers. Thus, me joining the forum.

Again, appreciate the time putting up your response.

Every one here I'm sure appreciates and understands your issues, needs and reasons....I believe we/they are just giving you a few pointers on health concerns as a community committed to good health...

 

[Cerseigirl]

Thought as much. Still struggling to process why you would bang two dogs together with no health testing, history, papers......And then proceed to ask questions on possible future health problems and or risks with the litter??? The damage has already been done. If you are going in blind then surely you have to face the consequences. It’s all back to front in my eyes!!! But if there is no care to health and temperament then colour becomes the main priority. Hm!

So, in that respect are they trained in personal protection, @Cerseigirl? Why kind of training do you do to train the dog to guard your property? Or is it just a deterrent? What happens if the dog bites? And lastly, what happens if the dog just isn’t up to it’s job to protect or guard? A shy disposition? It’s not unheard of.

Caring for the health is the main priority, not only to the puppies but to my bitch as well. That is why i am posting in this forum, to ask for advice, to possibly help me out so I can do the hest for my bitch and her puppies.

Maybe we dont have the same definition of these things since we live in different countries. We may not have the luxury as people in the UK, but believe me, Im trying my best to provide for my dogs.

Just wanted to let you know, based on the education ive had, and based from people I know, it's perfectly fine to breed dogs. Again, id like to point out that I may not be educated as much as you are when it comes to breeding, but these people I know, know more than me.

Please read my message above with regards to personal training for the dogs.

Thank you for your honesty. Will try to keep those in mind.

 

[Cerseigirl]

Every one here I'm sure appreciates and understands your issues, needs and reasons....I believe we/they are just giving you a few pointers on health concerns as a community committed to good health...

I agree 100%. Thank you for your encouragement!

 

[Tropicalbri's]

Is there a way to do the tests for the pups and my bitch without involving the sire?

Yes, I would order DNA tests from either Vetnostics or Vetgen labs. It is a cheek swab that you send in and they will run the tests and send you the results. I am not positive on the costs as I did mine around 22 months ago and it was about $75. for testing and a discount for multiple testing.
Just look at their website and it will give you the information and the order forms with payment info and tests offered.
I would test for vWD, DCM1and DCM2
markers at the very least.

 

[GOD'S GRACE]

@Cerseigirl

Look at this post, it might give you more insight.
Health and genetics testing

 

[Cerseigirl]

Yes, I would order DNA tests from either Vetnostics or Vetgen labs. It is a cheek swab that you send in and they will run the tests and send you the results. I am not positive on the costs as I did mine around 22 months ago and it was about $75. for testing and a discount for multiple testing.
Just look at their website and it will give you the information and the order forms with payment info and tests offered.
I would test for vWD, DCM1and DCM2
markers at the very least.

This is the type of thing im not familiar about. Would my licensed vet know what this is? If so, $75 is not too bad. Converted to my currency that is. Thank you for your help!

 

[Cerseigirl]

@Cerseigirl

Look at this post, it might give you more insight.
Health and genetics testing

Thank you!! Its a bit late now for me (2am) just needed to feed puppies then im off to sleep

 

[Tropicalbri's]

Thank you!! Its a bit late now for me (2am) just needed to feed puppies then im off to sleep

I forgot about time difference. It’s already Sunday where you are.

 

[GOD'S GRACE]

I forgot about time difference. It’s already Sunday where you are.

... we started talking on Friday! .... Oh my

 

[Ddski5]

I may ruffle feathers here but if I am reading this correctly then @Cerseigirl is doing the best she can with her given situation. She decided to breed her Doberman to provide protection to her family and not to sell as a greeder.

An energetic sentry, a fore warning alarm of intruders, and when it comes down to it, very protective when the situation arises.

Health testing is extremely important and should be at the top of the list but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do to survive. High crime low income area with possibly corrupt police and government, there are parts of the Philippines that are straight up lawless and vigilante.

Should a person breed Dobermans that are not health tested to the standards? Should they put the dogs into possible future of detrimental health? Under our safety bubbles, absolutely not! But possibly she did not have these options?

I find it commendable that she is seeking out DChat’s expertise and advice to become more educated on her present situation.

 

[Tropicalbri's]

@Cerseigirl how are the pups and mom doing?