Pedigree Dogs Exposed Three Years on..(please watch all)

[dh8]

I think the documentary is good and if it does bring to light a problem then folks need to take action to clean up their own house. If they don't then I don't believe the answer is ever to punish everyone to hopefully get the few bad apples.

The problem is a few bad apples produce thousands of genetic time bomb pups for each breed, in each country. I see no problem with legislation to limit inbreeding to less than 25% and prohibit breeding of animals testing positive with known genetic health issues. Neither can anyone else who wants healthy dogs. Where is the punishment? Healthier dogs?

Good breeders would have stopped these things on their own already. So where would the punishment be in the gov telling you to do something you claim to already do?

 

[FredC]

I sometimes wonder if mankind evolved from shit or if we are evolving into shit.

 

[Dobs4ever]

I think Von we are the wrong way! Especially when we think the government or regulation is the answer. Too many want someone else to do the work. And I don't claim anything I can prove it all by health - vet or DNA testing records. And I know many breeders who can do the same. I believ that is the norm not the exception. I believe bad breeders are the exception.

Breed clubs at least here do far more than apparently than some who are not involved are not aware of.

 

[FredC]

Fact is the the program centered around The KC it's policies and breed standards.. The program obviously had a heavy European influence so calling for more regulation in a country the program in question wasn't geographically representing doesn't make any sense without a "study" of our own here in the US.

With that being said this is what I've been preaching for years and has been the basis of most attacks against my own shared opinions over the years.. I just don't think the argument is nearly as relative or as grave in the Doberman breed as the examples outlined in the video... That's however not to say we don't all have a responsibility to evolve and admit when or in such circumstances we didn't get it right.. We owe mans best friend at least that..

Good intentions paved the road to hell and that's how I feel about a world of grownups that believes we need to regulate how much TP we consume on a daily basis..

 

[DocReverto]

I sometimes wonder if mankind evolved from shit or if we are evolving into shit.

Considering what was and what is now, I would agree with the second part.

You should really watch the movie Idiocracy.

 

[Dobs4ever]

With that being said this is what I've been preaching for years and has been the basis of most attacks against my own shared opinions over the years.. I just don't think the argument is nearly as relative or as grave in the Doberman breed as the examples outlined in the video... That's however not to say we don't all have a responsibility to evolve and admit when or in such circumstances we didn't get it right.. We owe mans best friend at least that..

I am in total agreement. We know scientist have falsified studies to gain funding to continue lying. So I do always consider the source and that there is two sides to every story. The AR groups have been known to greatly embellish and exaggerate to make their points. They are 100% for government regulation - WHAT The heck does the government know about dogs, genetics or breeding???? Just enough to ruin it for everyone. DPCA is one of the biggest contributors of all breed clubs to genetic studies on cardio, cancer, wobblers, CVI, Bloat etc and in the past two years have brought us two new genetic test. Of course that means nothing to the AR groups who ignore any of that.

 

[Ingrid H]

I am in total agreement. We know scientist have falsified studies to gain funding to continue lying. So I do always consider the source and that there is two sides to every story. The AR groups have been known to greatly embellish and exaggerate to make their points. They are 100% for government regulation - WHAT The heck does the government know about dogs, genetics or breeding???? Just enough to ruin it for everyone. DPCA is one of the biggest contributors of all breed clubs to genetic studies on cardio, cancer, wobblers, CVI, Bloat etc and in the past two years have brought us two new genetic test. Of course that means nothing to the AR groups who ignore any of that.

Considering that AR groups are for against ownership of pets or livestock at all, I'd say they know absolutely nothing about breeding domesticated animals. The government has given grants to agricultural universities to study best practices in animal husbandry as an investment in productive farming, so a lot of progress has been made in government funded animal breeding. The best places to get dogs treated or diagnosed for serious illnesses seem to be government funded veterinary schools, so I wouldn't say the "government" doesn't care about dogs. Every time a Doberman is diagnosed with something weird or rare that isn't getting diagnosed locally, people are sent to government funded universities where the cutting edge research is being done and tested.

 

[Caloni]

That seems strange as one of the approved colors and winners at Westminister is often a white poodle. I think the apricots are not desirable but they make great pets. Do you know for a fact of is it what is being passed around??? But in genetics white is a part of the gene pool so might no be as easy to not breed for them as one might think.

I would have to check but is there a party color poodle??? I had not heard of one.

I was at one time looking at getting a Poodle and a friend of mine told me she had a puppy from her. I called her up and asked what colors of pups she had. She said she ONLY ever has black, not ever any other color. I said if she ever had one a different color....which happens some times....would she please give me a call and I would take it off of her hands because she said she despised any other color than black. She said, NO that it would never happen because the puppies would never make it to be old enough to be sold. I asked what she meant, and she explained how her vet took care of any "undesirable'' puppies. I was so sickened I about passed out.