Olives 14 puppies doing well
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How many breeders that are familiar to this forum are also providing cause of death info later, on all public lineage, or at least to buyers on request.
I understand there are two long term studies underway (Cornell, UofMN) that are looking for this cause of death plus DNA results to better understand DCM and COI.
What do DPCA and UDC have to say on best practices for breeders. Seems like to me as a dobe noob that a "to do" checklist ought to be almost standard for careful shopping.
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Well, there is no guy there. I live in Goshen also. Don't do anything with there Dobes? Besides taking care of the dogs the owner is a an RN and raises her children so I imagine doing things with the Dobes is something she wishes she could do. Maybe you should call again instead of bashing without any background information. Oh yeah ,they health test,
As I recall, their website showed a husband and a wife. I thought I was communicating with the husband.
What do you mean no background information? Did you not comprehend what I wrote? I shared my experience with communicating with them and finally trying to set up a visit at which point they ghosted me.
It's understandable that working full time and raising children may preclude showing or working your Dobes, but one has to ask: Then why are you breeding dogs? Maybe it's just to make money. A breeder should be striving to better the breed, not just make money. We've got a disease ridden breed here. Full health testing is a must in order to try to stop the bleeding. As far as I know, they only have a DNA test run. That does not constitute health testing.
Hey, I wish you the best with the pups and Dobe you're involved with. They are already born and I wish the best for them too. I put 2 and 2 together and notice that Ollive's pups are being posted in Instagram. I had seen, and scrolled past, Van Dutch's posts because it's irrelevant to me; but as I alluded to yesterday, I noticed that the pups you're talking about are through them.
You say I should call them back? Yeah, no. I tried very courteously to set up a quick (I may have even said I only need 15 minutes of your time) in-person visit. They went AWOL, as is not uncommon for many breeders – even the good ones. I hate that. Just be honest. Just fire off a one-liner email saying "Sorry, we are too busy at this time to have you visit." That would be respectful. I surmise that they have plenty of customers and are resting on the laurel that is being called "Best Doberman Breeder in Ohio" and so why should they bother with someone who asks too many questions and wants to come take a quick look at the breeding place?
Thank you!
Very comprehensive, bookmarked for later reference.
From that "buying a doberman" article on DPCA, reprinted from 2000. Great advice, especially this:
"A well-bred, sound, healthy puppy from a reputable breeder is WORTH THE WAIT. Don´t get caught up in a mind-set that you must have a puppy immediately. Take your time to do your research and don´t be surprised that you will likely have to wait for a quality puppy. The time and money you invest in the puppy up front is very likely to save you time and money later."
"A well-bred, sound, healthy puppy from a reputable breeder is WORTH THE WAIT. Don´t get caught up in a mind-set that you must have a puppy immediately. Take your time to do your research and don´t be surprised that you will likely have to wait for a quality puppy. The time and money you invest in the puppy up front is very likely to save you time and money later."
I also found some info at DPCA on testing for longevity:
There is more, on the DPCA website.
I'm curious "how many of the owners here have gone to the trouble to double-check generations info for cause of death, and age of death in their dogs upline?"
Longevity seems to be the newest item of interest in online discussions- some useful IMHO sparked by the youtube guy - dobermanplanet interviewing Dr Sophie Lu.
I read more science based efforts in the latest studies that are underway or being solicited, with DNA. IIRC at Cornell, U of MN and the one in Germany? (Search threads here or at the other doberman forum)
These will all take years of data to establish correlations if any, to genetics, but as a practical matter- knowing how long the dogs in previous generations lived is a very useful metric, if you want to decide on a family companion, show or working dog.
Whether they breed for show, sports, service animals- its an important number, "Return on Investment" if you will- given how much time and effort and $$$ these dobes can require of an owner.
Hope I'm not stirring up too much of a hornets nest here- I have "no dog in this fight" as a breeder, club member, BYB dog seller -
Bonnie is a "just" a family dog, from a BYB, actually, and all our dogs going far back have been rescues...
But if I were to get another dobe it would be a well bred male, chosen carefully...
but thats way down the line if ever.
Its just a very fascinating intellectual exercise on many levels, and I REALLY appreciate all the generosity of the site owner and members who share so much useful info.
Certainly cant get that history and breadth at FakeBook and its spinoffs, for example. The amount of misinfo and disinfo there is diqualifying, if only for the ByB puppy mill spam and ignorance on display.
But thats another topic for the HOTT forum...
There is more, on the DPCA website.
I'm curious "how many of the owners here have gone to the trouble to double-check generations info for cause of death, and age of death in their dogs upline?"
Longevity seems to be the newest item of interest in online discussions- some useful IMHO sparked by the youtube guy - dobermanplanet interviewing Dr Sophie Lu.
I read more science based efforts in the latest studies that are underway or being solicited, with DNA. IIRC at Cornell, U of MN and the one in Germany? (Search threads here or at the other doberman forum)
These will all take years of data to establish correlations if any, to genetics, but as a practical matter- knowing how long the dogs in previous generations lived is a very useful metric, if you want to decide on a family companion, show or working dog.
Whether they breed for show, sports, service animals- its an important number, "Return on Investment" if you will- given how much time and effort and $$$ these dobes can require of an owner.
Hope I'm not stirring up too much of a hornets nest here- I have "no dog in this fight" as a breeder, club member, BYB dog seller -
Bonnie is a "just" a family dog, from a BYB, actually, and all our dogs going far back have been rescues...
But if I were to get another dobe it would be a well bred male, chosen carefully...
but thats way down the line if ever.
Its just a very fascinating intellectual exercise on many levels, and I REALLY appreciate all the generosity of the site owner and members who share so much useful info.
Certainly cant get that history and breadth at FakeBook and its spinoffs, for example. The amount of misinfo and disinfo there is diqualifying, if only for the ByB puppy mill spam and ignorance on display.
But thats another topic for the HOTT forum...
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I have no dog (in this fight or otherwise), but I'm actively searching. Any breeder I speak to seriously, I ask about DOD and COD. I'm also looking at a breeder's dogs on Dobequest.org if at all possible. Thus far all breeders have been able and happy to speak at length about those details. I know that there's no guarantees and shit happens, but I feel better trusting my $$$ (and my heart) to a breeder who is demonstrably trying to mitigate the risks of this breed as much as possible.I also found some info at DPCA on testing for longevity:
There is more, on the DPCA website.
I'm curious "how many of the owners here have gone to the trouble to double-check generations info for cause of death, and age of death in their dogs upline?"
Longevity seems to be the newest item of interest in online discussions- some useful IMHO sparked by the youtube guy - dobermanplanet interviewing Dr Sophie Lu.
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Just my $0.02
This is a site that shows many Euro dogs, (I know I have seen this link on here elsewhere) and they do include cause of death, as well as pedigree...not on all, but many. Now are the COD 'honest'? The one's that say DCM are in my opinion...but 'internal' 'poisoned' are questionable.
Another thing about 'working' dogs, whether in conformation, or obedience - it also demonstrates the dogs stability....in a crowd, amongst other dogs, people....judges (strangers) touching them....
That is one reason why it is important if you are breeding these amazing dobermans, it's good to be 'seeing' what you are producing.
Just my 2 cents
Another thing about 'working' dogs, whether in conformation, or obedience - it also demonstrates the dogs stability....in a crowd, amongst other dogs, people....judges (strangers) touching them....
That is one reason why it is important if you are breeding these amazing dobermans, it's good to be 'seeing' what you are producing.
Just my 2 cents
