New Addition Arson!

[Oh Little Oji]

Congratulations! How handsome. Love the markings on the top of the paws. Thanks for reminding me of the crop doc. in OH. May come in handy for me one day.

 

[luckybeemer]

Wow, that's awesome. I've learned so much from you all and just from my experience as a first time Doberman owner. As you (and many other members) have helped me on more than 1 issue (food, ears, training....)
My pup is only 6 months old, hasn't been posted since Saturday afternoon, but one of my biggest fear is that her ears fall. There were only 2 crop docs close to me both still 2+ hours away.....but if I ever get another one....which I already have that small desire for another.....but this phase now is plenty of work and dedication for me....times 2 would be way more than I could handle. . Lol....I may would travel to Ohio.

 

[Maja Rocks]

That is one handsome boy!
I love his Classic Dobe expressions in your photos.
That" looking at you quizzically with ears up and head cocked"
Yep!, boy do I know that look..Oh man it just melts my heart and makes me smile every damn time I see it!
Extra special when your raise them from day 1.
Congrats a great breeding an excellent job all around.
Nice choices on the ears!
MR

 

[strykerdobe]

Our adventures continue.

We got our IGP1

Yesterday at our Club Trial (Northeast Working Dog Association) we passed!!!!! Now the training is really going to begin. LOL

Marco vom Landgraf son, Arson Sicario vom Herzen on new IGP1 with an excellent protection score of 96!

Scores were 76-91-96 under SV/FCI/IDC judge Manfred Drescher.

Still a number of things to correct on the Tracking and Obedience. But it felt so good.

I'm still a rookie at this sport and Arson is really my first IPO Dobe. His mom Zara just didn't have the Drive and some days I felt she really didn't want to be at Club. But Her and Marco did a great job!
Arson is an awesome dog and has so much more potential, but sometimes I feel he needs a better owner. I just need to try harder.

 

[Oh Little Oji]

Congratulations!! I didn't know you were training in this stuff.

 

[strykerdobe]

Congratulations!! I didn't know you were training in this stuff.

Thank you.

Yuup trying to.

 

[Ravenbird]

Huge

That's a great achievement and you & Arson deserve a big pat on the back! And a 96 in protection! Yay Team Arson!

 

[Ddski5]

Congratulations!!!
That is a major achievement!!

Arson is an awesome dog and has so much more potential, but sometimes I feel he needs a better owner. I just need to try harder.

I think the same thing every time I look at mine. We do the best we can with what we know and what we have.

 

[Kaiser2016]

Congratulations! The Doberman is definitely a breed that can give anyone feelings of inadequacy, but all we can do is keep moving forward!

 

[Oh Little Oji]

Congratulations! The Doberman is definitely a breed that can give anyone feelings of inadequacy, but all we can do is keep moving forward!

That's an interesting viewpoint. To me, a Doberman, with its trainability and biddability (unless you wind up with a sort of special one like Oji), is one of the easiest dogs to train, and tends to really shine. Yes, they have that quirk where then learn a command or trick quickly, then put their own twist on it, but that's not too bad.

Anyway, a big congratulations again, Strykerdobe!

 

[Kaiser2016]

That's an interesting viewpoint. To me, a Doberman, with its trainability and biddability (unless you wind up with a sort of special one like Oji), is one of the easiest dogs to train, and tends to really shine. Yes, they have that quirk where then learn a command or trick quickly, then put their own twist on it, but that's not too bad.

Yes, they are easy to train for simple things, but some of the more specific positions and tasks are harder to train, especially anything that is going to be judged. Add in the pressure of yourself learning something new, and then the feelings of inadequacy come up. That's why we say, it's not just a dog, it's a Doberman!

 

[Oh Little Oji]

Yes, they are easy to train for simple things, but some of the more specific positions and tasks are harder to train, especially anything that is going to be judged. Add in the pressure of yourself learning something new, and then the feelings of inadequacy come up. That's why we say, it's not just a dog, it's a Doberman!

Talking about IGP work here?

I see you have three "agrees," so I guess I'm, the odd one who just doesn't get it here. Oh well. No matter.

 

[Ravenbird]

Talking about IGP work here?

I see you have three "agrees," so I guess I'm, the odd one who just doesn't get it here. Oh well. No matter.

I think it's about IGP, but it can also spill over into other competitive sports which require precision. Teaching your dog to sit, down, stay, recall really isn't a problem with this intelligent breed. Testing your dog in front of people and being followed around the area with one (or two) judges with clipboards taking notes on how straight your dog is on the front, how quickly and smoothly it comes to the basic heel position from that front, , the send out asking the dog to run full out away from you and command them to down when they are far down the field, to toss the dumbbell, (I've seen videos where the handlers throw and almost hit the judge with the dumbbell - that would be my nightmare), then send the dog over jumps and A-frames, retrieve back over the jump come to front and be perfectly still, the long down while you are out of sight while another dog does it's routine right in front of the dog. And this is just the obedience phase. Add in footstep tracking with turns and indicating found articles and the protection phase where drive and precision are taken into account as well as the out. The hold and bark without biting, the biting hard and deep but releasing instantly on command, the directional running of 6 blinds when they KNOW the decoy is in the 6th one but they have to run the pattern anyway... it goes on and on. I'm sure after a handler has taken several dogs through this training they learn more & more as they go. As a beginner this is an overwhelming amount of detail to teach a willing dog. Then deal with a high drive dog who challenges you with "make me" attitude or "to hell with footstep tracking I know where this is leading" or hesitation sending out or having to command DOWN 3 times before they do - and you've never trained it before in your life - indeed, it's a challenge on both human and dog. My dog thinks it's all fun & games no matter what we do, but that "twist" on wanting to do things her way is always there. I'm the one who's overwhelmed at times by the amount of time & work it takes.

And to be perfectly honest, I thought much like you stated - that these dogs are so intelligent and want to please, if I just follow the rules and teach each "trick" it would be pretty easy. I first watched dogs at a training club in the 1980's, I thought by watching for so many years on & off from a distance that I had to know more or less how this works. I mean, I knew it would take work and dedication, but I seriously never had a clue how hard it is to do all 3 phases and get a passing grade in all three at the lowest level, much less move on to IGP2 and 3. Live & learn as they say!

 

[Rits]

I think it's about IGP, but it can also spill over into other competitive sports which require precision. Teaching your dog to sit, down, stay, recall really isn't a problem with this intelligent breed. Testing your dog in front of people and being followed around the area with one (or two) judges with clipboards taking notes on how straight your dog is on the front, how quickly and smoothly it comes to the basic heel position from that front, , the send out asking the dog to run full out away from you and command them to down when they are far down the field, to toss the dumbbell, (I've seen videos where the handlers throw and almost hit the judge with the dumbbell - that would be my nightmare), then send the dog over jumps and A-frames, retrieve back over the jump come to front and be perfectly still, the long down while you are out of sight while another dog does it's routine right in front of the dog. And this is just the obedience phase. Add in footstep tracking with turns and indicating found articles and the protection phase where drive and precision are taken into account as well as the out. The hold and bark without biting, the biting hard and deep but releasing instantly on command, the directional running of 6 blinds when they KNOW the decoy is in the 6th one but they have to run the pattern anyway... it goes on and on. I'm sure after a handler has taken several dogs through this training they learn more & more as they go. As a beginner this is an overwhelming amount of detail to teach a willing dog. Then deal with a high drive dog who challenges you with "make me" attitude or "to hell with footstep tracking I know where this is leading" or hesitation sending out or having to command DOWN 3 times before they do - and you've never trained it before in your life - indeed, it's a challenge on both human and dog. My dog thinks it's all fun & games no matter what we do, but that "twist" on wanting to do things her way is always there. I'm the one who's overwhelmed at times by the amount of time & work it takes.

And to be perfectly honest, I thought much like you stated - that these dogs are so intelligent and want to please, if I just follow the rules and teach each "trick" it would be pretty easy. I first watched dogs at a training club in the 1980's, I thought by watching for so many years on & off from a distance that I had to know more or less how this works. I mean, I knew it would take work and dedication, but I seriously never had a clue how hard it is to do all 3 phases and get a passing grade in all three at the lowest level, much less move on to IGP2 and 3. Live & learn as they say!

Beautifully said!

When you have a breed that is super smart, as a handler you automatically are expected to live up to that level. It doesn't always work that way. In agility my instructor reminds me, when it comes to a green handler with a green dog, it's HARDER than anything else.

 

[WANTED]

Haven't posted the new addition yet but. Yes, we have a new addition! It's been a while since we whelped our female Zara's litter! We kept a male Arson who is now 21weeks old!

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So much learning at that state and Dobies soak it up. My girl 18 months and still learning and bitchie...luv her.

Haven't posted the new addition yet but. Yes we have a new addition! Its been awhile since we whelped our female Zara's litter! We kept a male Arson who is now 21weeks old!

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Ears look gr8 at only 21 wks, they are so skinny for the first yr and then the filling out begins... much fun watching the whole process. My girl was just like that and now at 18 months 27" at the withers and 75 lbs.

 

[strykerdobe]

I think it's about IGP, but it can also spill over into other competitive sports which require precision. Teaching your dog to sit, down, stay, recall really isn't a problem with this intelligent breed. Testing your dog in front of people and being followed around the area with one (or two) judges with clipboards taking notes on how straight your dog is on the front, how quickly and smoothly it comes to the basic heel position from that front, , the send out asking the dog to run full out away from you and command them to down when they are far down the field, to toss the dumbbell, (I've seen videos where the handlers throw and almost hit the judge with the dumbbell - that would be my nightmare), then send the dog over jumps and A-frames, retrieve back over the jump come to front and be perfectly still, the long down while you are out of sight while another dog does it's routine right in front of the dog. And this is just the obedience phase. Add in footstep tracking with turns and indicating found articles and the protection phase where drive and precision are taken into account as well as the out. The hold and bark without biting, the biting hard and deep but releasing instantly on command, the directional running of 6 blinds when they KNOW the decoy is in the 6th one but they have to run the pattern anyway... it goes on and on. I'm sure after a handler has taken several dogs through this training they learn more & more as they go. As a beginner this is an overwhelming amount of detail to teach a willing dog. Then deal with a high drive dog who challenges you with "make me" attitude or "to hell with footstep tracking I know where this is leading" or hesitation sending out or having to command DOWN 3 times before they do - and you've never trained it before in your life - indeed, it's a challenge on both human and dog. My dog thinks it's all fun & games no matter what we do, but that "twist" on wanting to do things her way is always there. I'm the one who's overwhelmed at times by the amount of time & work it takes.

And to be perfectly honest, I thought much like you stated - that these dogs are so intelligent and want to please, if I just follow the rules and teach each "trick" it would be pretty easy. I first watched dogs at a training club in the 1980's, I thought by watching for so many years on & off from a distance that I had to know more or less how this works. I mean, I knew it would take work and dedication, but I seriously never had a clue how hard it is to do all 3 phases and get a passing grade in all three at the lowest level, much less move on to IGP2 and 3. Live & learn as they say!

Well said!
@Ravenbird
Can I copy your post?

 

[Kaiser2016]

EVERYTHING @Ravenbird and @Rits said

(I've seen videos where the handlers throw and almost hit the judge with the dumbbell - that would be my nightmare)

Ugh and lol because I have seen this happen - twice! I never understood the saying "throw like a girl" until I saw it for myself

 

[Oh Little Oji]

I think it's about IGP, but it can also spill over into other competitive sports which require precision. Teaching your dog to sit, down, stay, recall really isn't a problem with this intelligent breed. Testing your dog in front of people and being followed around the area with one (or two) judges with clipboards taking notes on how straight your dog is on the front, how quickly and smoothly it comes to the basic heel position from that front, , the send out asking the dog to run full out away from you and command them to down when they are far down the field, to toss the dumbbell, (I've seen videos where the handlers throw and almost hit the judge with the dumbbell - that would be my nightmare), then send the dog over jumps and A-frames, retrieve back over the jump come to front and be perfectly still, the long down while you are out of sight while another dog does it's routine right in front of the dog. And this is just the obedience phase. Add in footstep tracking with turns and indicating found articles and the protection phase where drive and precision are taken into account as well as the out. The hold and bark without biting, the biting hard and deep but releasing instantly on command, the directional running of 6 blinds when they KNOW the decoy is in the 6th one but they have to run the pattern anyway... it goes on and on. I'm sure after a handler has taken several dogs through this training they learn more & more as they go. As a beginner this is an overwhelming amount of detail to teach a willing dog. Then deal with a high drive dog who challenges you with "make me" attitude or "to hell with footstep tracking I know where this is leading" or hesitation sending out or having to command DOWN 3 times before they do - and you've never trained it before in your life - indeed, it's a challenge on both human and dog. My dog thinks it's all fun & games no matter what we do, but that "twist" on wanting to do things her way is always there. I'm the one who's overwhelmed at times by the amount of time & work it takes.

And to be perfectly honest, I thought much like you stated - that these dogs are so intelligent and want to please, if I just follow the rules and teach each "trick" it would be pretty easy. I first watched dogs at a training club in the 1980's, I thought by watching for so many years on & off from a distance that I had to know more or less how this works. I mean, I knew it would take work and dedication, but I seriously never had a clue how hard it is to do all 3 phases and get a passing grade in all three at the lowest level, much less move on to IGP2 and 3. Live & learn as they say!

Hmm. Okay, thanks for the explanation.

 

[Oh Little Oji]

Beautifully said!

When you have a breed that is super smart, as a handler you automatically are expected to live up to that level. It doesn't always work that way. In agility my instructor reminds me, when it comes to a green handler with a green dog, it's HARDER than anything else.

That makes sense, the first sentence especially. Frankly, I never struggled with this. I'm a perfectionist, and my first two Dobes performed up to my expectations, although we didn't do any official IGP stuff (and yes, I appreciate the complexity and varied aspects of that). Now, if we are talking a Dobe like Oji, who really doesn't like to work and doesn't seem cut out for it, I can understand it being a big struggle to enter that Dobe in a competition, or be critiqued.

 

[Ravenbird]

Well said!
@Ravenbird
Can I copy your post?

Yes, of course.